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Sep 16 2021 01:56pm
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I think Flynn would have been fine if he was on the same page as the Obama administration and had informed more people. Didn't he lie to Pence about it? I just don't think the comparison is a good one. I think we can discuss the merits/faults of Milley's actions on their own. Was it right for Esper to create the back-channel in the first place? Was it right for Milley to even use it? Was the content highly inappropriate?

Personally, now that we have more info, I think the back-channel and the use of it is appropriate. What is highly questionable to me is the statement along the lines of, "if we were going to attack, we'd tell you in advance." I've read that it's something you do as a common courtesy these days (likely due to MADD), but that seems very strange to me. Maybe we're reading too much into it, but on the 28th, I'm sure we're going to hear A LOT about it (Senate testimony).


good comparisons give way to topical ones. Flynn was recent, and during the same lame duck period. i frankly dont know if there is another example of a military general undermining the sitting potus out of fear of a massive war breaking out. its unprecedented in US history afaik.
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good comparisons give way to topical ones. Flynn was recent, and during the same lame duck period. i frankly dont know if there is another example of a military general undermining the sitting potus out of fear of a massive war breaking out. its unprecedented in US history afaik.


I think this is more egregious than what happened under Trump:

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Moreover, Defense Secretary James Schlesinger recalled years later that in the final days of the Nixon presidency he had issued an unprecedented set of orders: If the president gave any nuclear launch order, military commanders should check with either him or Secretary of State Henry Kissinger before executing them. Schlesinger feared that the president, who seemed depressed and was drinking heavily, might order Armageddon. Nixon himself had stoked official fears during a meeting with congressmen during which he reportedly said, “I can go in my office and pick up a telephone, and in 25 minutes, millions of people will be dead.” Senator Alan Cranston had phoned Schlesinger, warning about “the need for keeping a berserk president from plunging us into a holocaust.”


It would not surprise me if Reagan's Sec Def did similar things due to his age. The Executive is more than one man and I think I'd lean towards a unified Cabinet that undermines a President over a President who undermines his Cabinet to wreck havoc.

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I think this is more egregious than what happened under Trump:



It would not surprise me if Reagan's Sec Def did similar things due to his age. The Executive is more than one man and I think I'd lean towards a unified Cabinet that undermines a President over a President who undermines his Cabinet to wreck havoc.


ahh good link, that would indeed be a very good precedent. almost 1:1. age aside, a better comparison than Flynn to be sure.
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I think Flynn would have been fine if he was on the same page as the Obama administration and had informed more people. Didn't he lie to Pence about it? I just don't think the comparison is a good one. I think we can discuss the merits/faults of Milley's actions on their own. Was it right for Esper to create the back-channel in the first place? Was it right for Milley to even use it? Was the content highly inappropriate?

Personally, now that we have more info, I think the back-channel and the use of it is appropriate. What is highly questionable to me is the statement along the lines of, "if we were going to attack, we'd tell you in advance." I've read that it's something you do as a common courtesy these days (likely due to MADD), but that seems very strange to me. Maybe we're reading too much into it, but on the 28th, I'm sure we're going to hear A LOT about it (Senate testimony).

what possible reasoning did they have in October to give military information to China based on that events would occur in January of the subsequent year??? events that NONE of security apparatuses sought to stop despite them all, evidently, knowing about in advance?

We know that no one cannot just go “nuclear launch detected” like in Starcraft and 10 seconds later boom. Multiple layers of approval are needed. Esper and Milley know this. So the whole “omg nukes” defense is folly

was it due to ensuring that the “election was fortified”??

we aren’t going to find out anything at the testimonies c’mon. we know this too
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I think this is more egregious than what happened under Trump:
It would not surprise me if Reagan's Sec Def did similar things due to his age. The Executive is more than one man and I think I'd lean towards a unified Cabinet that undermines a President over a President who undermines his Cabinet to wreck havoc.

Good precedent - but in the Trump/Milley case, it wasn't really a unified Cabinet that undermined the President, just the Sec Def.
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It would not surprise me if Reagan's Sec Def did similar things due to his age. The Executive is more than one man and I think I'd lean towards a unified Cabinet that undermines a President over a President who undermines his Cabinet to wreck havoc.


Fake testimonies from faceless shill beaureacrats :wacko:
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what possible reasoning did they have in October to give military information to China based on that events would occur in January of the subsequent year??? events that NONE of security apparatuses sought to stop despite them all, evidently, knowing about in advance?

We know that no one cannot just go “nuclear launch detected” like in Starcraft and 10 seconds later boom. Multiple layers of approval are needed. Esper and Milley know this. So the whole “omg nukes” defense is folly

was it due to ensuring that the “election was fortified”??

we aren’t going to find out anything at the testimonies c’mon. we know this too


I have no idea why the Chinese thought what they thought. For some reason though, they believed that Trump might seriously escalate tensions before the election in order to garner support.
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I have no idea why the Chinese thought what they thought. For some reason though, they believed that Trump might seriously escalate tensions before the election in order to garner support.


the mentally ill left and their games. they will make up all kind of stories in their heads

Wrap Up Smear
https://www.bitchute.com/video/cZCwzE9b5R3d/
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Sep 16 2021 08:08pm
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I have no idea why the Chinese thought what they thought. For some reason though, they believed that Trump might seriously escalate tensions before the election in order to garner support.

because his administration wasn’t already antagonistic already?? he was the only force telling them to knock it off with their constant saber-rattling. he cannot unilaterally start a war or launch nukes. and there were already sanctions to “kingdom come”, albiet rather tame - but still far more aggressive comparatively to past administrations going back to Nixon. for many of us here he was way too much rhetoric (the rhetoric against the CCP is rightly so!) and not enough using alliances to put them in a further geopolitical bind.

you’re anti CCP as they come (along with me and snipa), I highly doubt we disagree here

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time to repost this for the larpers


view this then reinstall your fraud wrap up smear narrative. the dumb bastards filmed themselves

john sullivan?

this is the organizer of "insurgence_usa" this is the speech he made before breaching the capitol.

John Earle Sullivan a Black Lives Matter Activist from Sandy, Utah is the Rioter of Capitol Building
https://www.bitchute.com/video/XYqnX1rkQiGH/

excerpts from speech
"we bout to burn this chit down"
"rip trump outa that office"
"its time for revolution"
"its time for revolution"
"its time for revolution"

so this where i open the story of john sullivan. Its gets alot more interesting (i bring more later). all the things he says and does but this guy walks free. does sound like BS doesnt it? like its a bunch of leftie frauds ?
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more on john sullivan blm/antifa

Rudy Giuliani provides evidence that BLM/Antifa instigated violence at capital rally on 6-Jan-2021
https://www.bitchute.com/video/GJejxQlwVTZF/

0:00 that sure aint no trumper
0:01 Giuliani starts speaking
3:38 insurgence usa retweeted (insurgence?)
john sullivan. #antifa
5:30 looks like a twiter ad by john sullivan. jan 6th 2020 washington monument 11am. insurgenceusa.com (insurgence? did fraud lefties get the "insurgence" idea from this guy?)
7:42 john sullivan talks about his terrorist gear
10:33 another ad blm/antifa for jan 6th
12:35 jan 6th video starts
13:02 ?they identify themselves as antifa? 5 cops? cops let them right in?
13:23 "there is so many people, this chit is ours" (john sullivian)what does "ours" mean? ...........no cops?
14:20 "lets burn this chit down" (john sullivan)
14:30 "we got to get inside now" (john sullivan)
15:30 ev1 push forward
16:08 enter through a broken window
16:25 "we gota get this chit burning" (john sullivan)
17:00 wandering the building. what are they looking for? perhaps the pipe bombs and the incendiaries that were planted?....they got lost
17:25 cop waving them through, this way fellas
18:40 john sullivan chanting "USA USA USA " lol
19:15 john sullivan bragging about how many riots he been in
21:25 whose that working with john sullivan?......... some dude that didnt get arrested
21:30 another gives him a nod............some other dude that didnt get arrested
23:00 john sullivans goons breaking in again
john sullivan just happens to be at the perfect place to film the "shooting"

Giuliani makes closing comments
32:14 video ends

John Earle Sullivan, also known as Jayden X, or Activist John. walks free after all that. while others languish in solitary confinement for months. leftie fraud fake azz commission
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