so when I think about it, I realize that Hunter Biden's story is basically Affluenza Kid's story cranked to 11/10
and the democrats are circling the wagons for him

Good thing he isn't running for office. Nobody gives a shit about this like nobody really gives a shit about Trumps kid trying to get dirt on Clinton with that Russian meeting.

You are all so dramatic. Both sides.

This post was edited by Skinned on Oct 5 2019 09:54am

Yeah all those occupy wall street protesters and pitchfork mob that went after brock turner and people screaming about wealth inequality and eating the rich
everyone so dramatic about it, up until it was a story about Hunter Biden, and then they all went silent

Nothing happened during that event you mentioned. It is a pseudoevent. People yelling outside is about as effective as running to cure autism.

This post was edited by Skinned on Oct 5 2019 11:40am

Actually he first suggested it on 9/1.

And it looks like even Sondland thought that is what was happening. He even told a senator about it:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/gop-senator-says-diplomat-told-him-trump-was-withholding-aid-n1062706
Johnson confronted Trump about it on 8/31... and surprise, surprise, he didn't admit to a blatantly obvious abuse of power! Exoneration!

We don't have to choose between some brilliant, unified, explicit conspiracy and giving Trump the benefit of the doubt on every point. Trump was using his personal attorney to pressure the Ukrainians to open investigations into supposed 2016 interference and Burisma(Bidens). Diplomats were helping Rudy get in touch with senior officials in Ukraine. The former US ambassador of Ukraine was pushed out(at least in part) because she wouldn't play ball. These other diplomats were trying to navigate this difficult situation. It's clear that a meeting between Trump and Zelensky was conditioned on him opening these investigations(quid pro quo #2). This is happening in the context of Ukranian aid being withheld by Trump, against the wishes of State/Defense/NatSec council. Trump's excuses for the aid being withheld have changed.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/9/24/20881505/donald-trump-withhold-aid-ukraine-timeline-whistleblower

This isn't Russiagate. We have the evidence in front of us, and we can draw reasonable conclusions. Trump withheld the aid because he was upset at Ukraine for not investigating 2016 conspiracy theories and the Bidens. After the media made that possibility crystal clear, the aid was released 2 days later. This isn't 4d chess.. it's filled with individual incompetence, confusion, and miscommunication. But the effort was pretty clear.

This post was edited by IceMage on Oct 5 2019 12:04pm

Who could have predicted the inevitable response from the cult?

This post was edited by IceMage on Oct 5 2019 12:12pm

It really doesn't help your conspiracy theories when the best evidence you can point to is people explicitly denying it when in private when its brought up with no need to lie and dismissive reactions.
All you're really building evidence for is mixed messages and confusion.

And same thing with 9/1 vs 9/9, they're literally texting a link to a politico article about it, the media was already printing stories about it at that point.

Trump is a pathological liar. Why would he admit to a senator that he was clearly abusing his power? And Sondland explicitly says after denying it on 9/9 that they shouldn't be texting about it.

We have to look at all the evidence together. Singling out one piece and ignoring the rest is weaksauce.

Looking at the context of what was happening at the time, they'd have to be brain-dead to not connect withholding aid with the Ukrainians opening the investigations. What were they supposed to think? When the president was already withholding a meeting in order to pressure the Ukrainians to open investigations?

This post was edited by IceMage on Oct 5 2019 12:44pm

No, the left fucking hates Biden. It’s the centrist third way neoliberals who defend this behavior. If Biden is the nominee Trump will easily win because the left won’t vote for him.

Trump is a pathological liar who engages in elaborate conspiracies to cover up his crimes, or Trump is a brazen lawbreaker who does it out in the open and too stupid to know when to keep his mouth shut. Which is it?



What they were supposed to think was nothing at all, because they were unaware that aid was being withheld for a month after the call and after that had no clue what was going on.
Leverage isn't useful if the other person doesn't even know you're holding it, again, a massive plot hole in your conspiracy theory.



Theres a difference between those who will show up at the ballot box and who will get represented online. In 2016, the Bernie bros were a pivotal factor in denying the queen her throne. But if you had looked online at the far-left hubs, everyone was gladly eating Hillary's shit sandwich and seeing the rainbows pour out of her every orifice. I don't think that will repeat in 2020. There will be far less to stay at home or defect, as the TDS is so strong they will gladly eat their shit sandwichs this time around or they're already Trump supporters. The partisanship is far too strong, in 9 months I'm going to be reading about how Biden was the chosen messiah and watch any discussion of his corruption or school busing or child touching get absolutely nuked by anti-Trump fanatics who don't even "agree" with him, just adamantly support him