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Sep 14 2021 02:23pm
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military confirmed to have conspired with the CCP behind the President’s back leading up to the Jan 6 attempted guidless occupation -_-


Normally, I'd be the first person to say that this person should be executed and we should execute extended family as well. However, I imagine this is more of a deescalation technique like we had with the Soviets back in the day.
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Sep 14 2021 02:55pm
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Normally, I'd be the first person to say that this person should be executed and we should execute extended family as well. However, I imagine this is more of a deescalation technique like we had with the Soviets back in the day.

the Chief Executive, apparently compromised by the CCP and Russia (per all his political opponents and the media) was escalating war against the CCP and Russia???

Did the military or any defense forces even bother trying to prevent the events leading up to the attempted occupation? no they fucking relaxed security and rejected all intel reports!!! and now apparently they were conspiring with Russia and the CCP instead of working on any sort of defensive mechanism!!!

The media and democrats wanted Reagan killed off while he was ending the Cold War. We are fortunate their powers weren’t nearly as strong then as they are now, also that the Russians did not play along with the kabuki nearly as much back then
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Sep 14 2021 03:41pm
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military confirmed to have conspired with the CCP behind the President’s back leading up to the Jan 6 attempted guidless occupation -_-


Wait, what?

What are you referring to?
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Sep 14 2021 03:43pm
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Wait, what?

What are you referring to?


China was scared that Trump would initiate a military strike based on their own intel. General Milley called them and said that their assessments were incorrect and we'd notify them if that were the case.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-top-general-secretly-called-china-twice-trump-term-ended-report-2021-09-14/
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Sep 14 2021 03:47pm
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Wait, what?

What are you referring to?


Gen. Mark Milley took secret action to secure nukes from 'unstable' Trump after he lost the election and called China's top military leader to reassure the country Trump would not attack in desperate bid to stay in office, new Bob Woodward book reveals

angry white man called our enemy to say he himself hid the nuke codes and would keep the military busy studying “white rage” rather than conducting military strategy
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Sep 14 2021 04:13pm
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China was scared that Trump would initiate a military strike based on their own intel. General Milley called them and said that their assessments were incorrect and we'd notify them if that were the case.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-top-general-secretly-called-china-twice-trump-term-ended-report-2021-09-14/


Okay, what the actual fuck. Like... I get why Milley was reassuring the Chinese that no attack was coming, that's okay and very similar to Cold War era techniques, like you said.
But telling the enemy (yes, the Chinese clearly have to be considered an enemy by now) that he would give them a headsup for any US strike is completely absurd. Him conspiring with Pelosi to undercut his incumbent commander-in-chief is a treasonous act if you ask me.



By the way, were Woodwards claims from his previous book about the Trump admin ever corroborated? I know the dude had a huge reputation in the past, based on his contribution to uncovering the Watergate scandal - but his previous work on the Trump admin came across like run-of-the-mill liberal outrage porn.

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Sep 14 2021 04:52pm
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Okay, what the actual fuck. Like... I get why Milley was reassuring the Chinese that no attack was coming, that's okay and very similar to Cold War era techniques, like you said.
But telling the enemy (yes, the Chinese clearly have to be considered an enemy by now) that he would give them a headsup for any US strike is completely absurd. Him conspiring with Pelosi to undercut his incumbent commander-in-chief is a treasonous act if you ask me.



By the way, were Woodwards claims from his previous book about the Trump admin ever corroborated? I know the dude had a huge reputation in the past, based on his contribution to uncovering the Watergate scandal - but his previous work on the Trump admin came across like run-of-the-mill liberal outrage porn.


I can't make the decision for you to trust Woodward. He's very meticulous and his books are well-sourced. I only read his first book and haven't gotten around to the 2nd but that book seemed highly accurate. It seems that even Steve Bannon was a source for that book.

I don't really know what to make of Milley's actions but I'm definitely really uncomfortable. I think it's really fucked up but we were truly living in an unprecedented time then.
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Sep 14 2021 05:57pm
Quote (thundercock @ Sep 14 2021 05:43pm)
China was scared that Trump would initiate a military strike based on their own intel. General Milley called them and said that their assessments were incorrect and we'd notify them if that were the case.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-top-general-secretly-called-china-twice-trump-term-ended-report-2021-09-14/


Rubio may be a shill with small hands, but he sums up the situation accurately.

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“I write with grave concern regarding recent reporting that General Mark Milley, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, worked to actively undermine the sitting Commander in Chief of the United States Armed Forces and contemplated a treasonous leak of classified information to the Chinese Communist Party in advance of a potential armed conflict with the People’s Republic of China (PRC),” Rubio wrote. “These actions by General Milley demonstrate a clear lack of sound judgement, and I urge you to dismiss him immediately."

"General Milley has attempted to rationalize his reckless behavior by arguing that what he perceived as the military’s judgement as more stable than its civilian commander,” Rubio continued. “It is a dangerous precedent that could be asserted at any point in the future by General Milley or others. It threatens to tear apart our nation’s longstanding principle of civilian control of the military.”


I can't think of a situation where it's acceptable for Milley to decide that he is in charge of American foreign policy, and not the lawfully elected head of the United States Armed Forces. I'm going to give Milley the benefit of the doubt, and assume that he simply lost his head in a chaotic situation, but at the very least he should resign.
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Sep 14 2021 05:58pm
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I don't really know what to make of Milley's actions but I'm definitely really uncomfortable. I think it's really fucked up but we were truly living in an unprecedented time then.

It basically boils down to this: does the presence of a rogue president justify a general to go rogue in return?
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Sep 14 2021 06:20pm
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Rubio may be a shill with small hands, but he sums up the situation accurately.



I can't think of a situation where it's acceptable for Milley to decide that he is in charge of American foreign policy, and not the lawfully elected head of the United States Armed Forces. I'm going to give Milley the benefit of the doubt, and assume that he simply lost his head in a chaotic situation, but at the very least he should resign.


I agree that the precedent is extraordinarily dangerous. Unfortunately, Republicans have no interest in investigating this at the Congressional level and I'm not even convinced that they have the authority to really dig into some of the things. I think I'd feel way more comfortable if Pence & Esper was involved in someway. If this was a unilateral decision without support of the other Chiefs, then dismissal is absolutely warranted. What mechanisms can we use to ensure that this sort of thing doesn't happen again? I'm getting really annoyed that the only way to get information are leaks filtered through journalists.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 14 2021 04:58pm)
It basically boils down to this: does the presence of a rogue president justify a general to go rogue in return?


Under the Constitution? No. Practically speaking? Probably. It really depends on the situation. If a President decided to unilaterally strike Russia with nuclear weapons, I think that would warrant an override.
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