Quote (Landmine @ 4 Oct 2019 14:46)

You are the cult

Quote (IgoSoHard @ 4 Oct 2019 14:53)

If by a “good faith effort”, you mean she clearly lied about almost every possible facet of it, then sure. Grade A effort there, sport.

In actuality almost everyone agrees she very clearly fucked up, then lied about in an attempt to cover it up. Do I think she deserved to go to prison for this ? No, I don’t. It’s not that serious. I would feel the same way if it was Trump. I don’t think you can say the same thing.

It’s both ironic & funny, you’re doing the exact same thing towards this situation, as you claim supporters of Trump to for him.

There were clearly some poor decisions made, things you aren’t supposed to do...but in your opinion no law was broken, so it’s not a crime, so it’s not a big deal.

Then you turn around & call people cultists for applying the same logic to Trump.

You fail to see this because you have your TDS blinders on 24/7.

You also conflate every person who voted for Trump to be on Ghot’s level. No offense Ghot, but you know what it is.

Quote (bogie160 @ 4 Oct 2019 14:52)

Do you believe her when she says she doesn't know what the "C" meant, too?

Come on, this is embarrassing.

Quote (IgoSoHard @ Oct 4 2019 02:53pm)

If by a “good faith effort”, you mean she clearly lied about almost every possible facet of it, then sure. Grade A effort there, sport.

In actuality almost everyone agrees she very clearly fucked up, then lied about in an attempt to cover it up. Do I think she deserved to go to prison for this ? No, I don’t. It’s not that serious. I would feel the same way if it was Trump. I don’t think you can say the same thing.

It’s both ironic & funny, you’re doing the exact same thing towards this situation, as you claim supporters of Trump to for him.

There were clearly some poor decisions made, things you aren’t supposed to do...but in your opinion no law was broken, so it’s not a crime, so it’s not a big deal.

Then you turn around & call people cultists for applying the same logic to Trump.

You fail to see this because you have your TDS blinders on 24/7.

You also conflate every person who voted for Trump to be on Ghot’s level. No offense Ghot, but you know what it is.

Quote (excellence @ Oct 4 2019 03:09pm)

icepeon is a shameless creature.

he openly admits to being a snarky privileged lefty and will vote for any (D) or socialist candidate for the next few elections, even if they nominate the corpse of robert byrd (who was in the kkk, filibustered the civil rights act and was Hillary clinton’s mentor) or the corpse of teddy kennedy (actually conspired with a communist regime to rig an election, and this is after killing a woman by leaving her to suffocate in a submerged car)

Quote (IceMage @ 4 Oct 2019 15:25)

Says the guy who has to hide behind boring, weak trolling because you don't have the intellect to participate in debate.

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Donald Trump walks into Khreshchatyk street in Kiev, and shoots someone to death in cold blood.
Nancy Pelosi then says "Ukraine should investigate Trump for the murder we just saw him commit!"
Should Nancy Pelosi then be removed from office and imprisoned for the crime of soliciting an illegal campaign contribution from a foreign government?

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On September 1, Ambassador Taylor sought clarification of the requirements for a White House visit:

[9/1/19, 12:08:57 PM] Bill Taylor: Are we now saying that security assistance and WH meeting are conditioned on investigations?

[9/1/19, 12:42:29 PM] Gordon Sondland: Call me

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State Department Officials on Withholding Security Assistance: On September 9, 2019, Ambassador Taylor and Ambassador Sondland had the following exchange regarding the withholding of military assistance to Ukraine:

[9/9/19, 12:31:06 AM] Bill Taylor: The message to the Ukrainians (and Russians) we send with the decision on security assistance is key. With the hold, we have already shaken their faith in us. Thus my nightmare scenario.

[9/9/19, 12:34:44 AM] Bill Taylor: Counting on you to be right about this interview, Gordon.

[9/9/19, 12:37:16 AM] Gordon Sondland: Bill, I never said I was “right”. I said we are where we are and believe we have identified the best pathway forward. Lets hope it works.

[9/9/19, 12:47:11 AM] Bill Taylor: As I said on the phone, I think it’s crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign.

[9/9/19, 5:19:35 AM] Gordon Sondland: Bill, I believe you are incorrect about President Trump’s intentions. The President has been crystal clear no quid pro quo’s of any kind. The President is trying to evaluate whether Ukraine is truly going to adopt the transparency and reforms that President Zelensky promised during his campaign I suggest we stop the back and forth by text If you still have concerns I recommend you give Lisa Kenna or S a call to discuss them directly. Thanks.

Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 4 2019 03:03pm)

so back to my thought experiment nobody satisfactorily answered;

And to take that a step further-
note that there's no distinction in the statute between the actions of candidates and private citizens in the statutes
If ^Excellence says that Ukraine should investigate Biden, does that constitute an illegal solicitation of foreign campaign donations?

Quote (Thor123422 @ Oct 4 2019 03:11pm)

Did she engage in a quid pro quo to investigate him only after Trump became an opponent in the election?

Because the whole withholding military aid to force his hand is kind of a big part of this.

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The President has been crystal clear no quid pro quo’s of any kind.

Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 4 2019 04:03pm)

so back to my thought experiment nobody satisfactorily answered;



And to take that a step further-
note that there's no distinction in the statute between the actions of candidates and private citizens in the statutes
If ^Excellence says that Ukraine should investigate Biden, does that constitute an illegal solicitation of foreign campaign donations?