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Jun 25 2022 11:33pm
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jun 25 2022 10:23pm)
So you're pro guns as long as it's a burqa-wearing child or teenager, but don't want teachers (you know, adults?) to be able to carry to protect children?

Interesting. Tell us more.


pro guns/pro certain laws.
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Jun 26 2022 01:46am
Quote (Sioux @ 25 Jun 2022 22:27)
Trig is trig, most americans learn it as high school freshmen. I'm sorry you're finding out now that you were in remedial math but here we are.

Edit: Also I thought I was thor, you dummies can't keep your stories straight.


High School Freshman do not learn trig in the US unless they're the most accelerated courses, aka TAG (Talented and Gifted) which I was in. Were you? Are you high? Let me give you the "accelerated" version of math: Pre-Algebra 6th grade. Algebra 7th grade. Geometry 8th Grade. Algebra 2 (containing half of the high school "trig" teaching) 9th grade. Pre-Calculus 10th grade (when I started college, and the second half of high school "trig"). Calculus 11th grade. 12th grade requires a college, assuming said accelerated math courses, and assuming public schooling. I do not believe for a moment that the schooling of two and a half decades ago is less than the schooling today. Not for a heartbeat. Because I've been watching as TAG has been discontinued in my state, I've watched as Pre-A has been lifted to 7th minimum, Geometry is strictly high school, and Pre-calc is Junior level (I was already in college, I never served a Junior year in high school). I went from pre-calc to Trig. It was accurate testing. Given your faulty views on math classes alone, my basic assumption is that you were in remedial classes, and have no idea what you're talking about.

I've never once said you were Thor. If you wish to throw off strange statements, stick with those who made them. Perhaps you should pay attention to join dates? Confusing me with random people who joined JSP in the last year or two is not your best bet, newbie. Oh, right, math isn't your strong suit. :)

Quote (Plaguefear @ 25 Jun 2022 22:30)
And when those teachers go postal?
Should we arm the kids too?


Wait wait... I thought these teachers were epically qualified and shit. Certainly they undergo the same kind of psych evaluations that one would demand from anyone entrusted with the safety of children, no?

Oh, you're right. We don't ask for anything in particular from teachers other than that they get themselves a Masters Degree that's completely unrelated to what they "teach" out of a book, and a teaching certificate.

Huh, honestly, you make a great point. Why SHOULD we trust teachers with the safety OR the education of our children?

Quote (theCrossbones @ 25 Jun 2022 22:33)
pro guns/pro certain laws.


So wait, I need more information still. You've just stated you're for clothing that allows minors to smuggle weapons into K-12 schools. Didn't you say in one of the Uvalde topics that not only were guns the issue, but that the fact that an 18 year old was capable of purchasing a firearm was unacceptable?

I still need more information. Please expand. :)
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Jun 26 2022 02:16am
Quote (Sioux @ Jun 25 2022 10:27pm)
Trig is trig, most americans learn it as high school freshmen. I'm sorry you're finding out now that you were in remedial math but here we are.

Edit: Also I thought I was thor, you dummies can't keep your stories straight.


getting people mixed up, also a thor move

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Jun 26 2022 02:19am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jun 26 2022 12:46am)
High School Freshman do not learn trig in the US unless they're the most accelerated courses, aka TAG (Talented and Gifted) which I was in. Were you? Are you high? Let me give you the "accelerated" version of math: Pre-Algebra 6th grade. Algebra 7th grade. Geometry 8th Grade. Algebra 2 (containing half of the high school "trig" teaching) 9th grade. Pre-Calculus 10th grade (when I started college, and the second half of high school "trig"). Calculus 11th grade. 12th grade requires a college, assuming said accelerated math courses, and assuming public schooling. I do not believe for a moment that the schooling of two and a half decades ago is less than the schooling today. Not for a heartbeat. Because I've been watching as TAG has been discontinued in my state, I've watched as Pre-A has been lifted to 7th minimum, Geometry is strictly high school, and Pre-calc is Junior level (I was already in college, I never served a Junior year in high school). I went from pre-calc to Trig. It was accurate testing. Given your faulty views on math classes alone, my basic assumption is that you were in remedial classes, and have no idea what you're talking about.

I've never once said you were Thor. If you wish to throw off strange statements, stick with those who made them. Perhaps you should pay attention to join dates? Confusing me with random people who joined JSP in the last year or two is not your best bet, newbie. Oh, right, math isn't your strong suit. :)



Wait wait... I thought these teachers were epically qualified and shit. Certainly they undergo the same kind of psych evaluations that one would demand from anyone entrusted with the safety of children, no?

Oh, you're right. We don't ask for anything in particular from teachers other than that they get themselves a Masters Degree that's completely unrelated to what they "teach" out of a book, and a teaching certificate.

Huh, honestly, you make a great point. Why SHOULD we trust teachers with the safety OR the education of our children?



So wait, I need more information still. You've just stated you're for clothing that allows minors to smuggle weapons into K-12 schools. Didn't you say in one of the Uvalde topics that not only were guns the issue, but that the fact that an 18 year old was capable of purchasing a firearm was unacceptable?

I still need more information. Please expand. :)


get the kids outa public school. politicians/elites dont have their kids in them.
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Jun 26 2022 10:31am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jun 26 2022 12:46am)
High School Freshman do not learn trig in the US unless they're the most accelerated courses, aka TAG (Talented and Gifted) which I was in. Were you? Are you high? Let me give you the "accelerated" version of math: Pre-Algebra 6th grade. Algebra 7th grade. Geometry 8th Grade. Algebra 2 (containing half of the high school "trig" teaching) 9th grade. Pre-Calculus 10th grade (when I started college, and the second half of high school "trig"). Calculus 11th grade. 12th grade requires a college, assuming said accelerated math courses, and assuming public schooling. I do not believe for a moment that the schooling of two and a half decades ago is less than the schooling today. Not for a heartbeat. Because I've been watching as TAG has been discontinued in my state, I've watched as Pre-A has been lifted to 7th minimum, Geometry is strictly high school, and Pre-calc is Junior level (I was already in college, I never served a Junior year in high school). I went from pre-calc to Trig. It was accurate testing. Given your faulty views on math classes alone, my basic assumption is that you were in remedial classes, and have no idea what you're talking about.

I've never once said you were Thor. If you wish to throw off strange statements, stick with those who made them. Perhaps you should pay attention to join dates? Confusing me with random people who joined JSP in the last year or two is not your best bet, newbie. Oh, right, math isn't your strong suit. :)



Wait wait... I thought these teachers were epically qualified and shit. Certainly they undergo the same kind of psych evaluations that one would demand from anyone entrusted with the safety of children, no?

Oh, you're right. We don't ask for anything in particular from teachers other than that they get themselves a Masters Degree that's completely unrelated to what they "teach" out of a book, and a teaching certificate.

Huh, honestly, you make a great point. Why SHOULD we trust teachers with the safety OR the education of our children?



So wait, I need more information still. You've just stated you're for clothing that allows minors to smuggle weapons into K-12 schools. Didn't you say in one of the Uvalde topics that not only were guns the issue, but that the fact that an 18 year old was capable of purchasing a firearm was unacceptable?

I still need more information. Please expand. :)


No I think that there should a system in place for people between ages of 18-21 where from the time they purchase to the time the get the gun in hand is longer 7 days? something like that?
I also think there should be some sort of "insurance" type system where you have to prove you have no DV/Mental health issues PRIOR to buying a gun.. anyway..
that last part is me poking at you for having concern about concealed weapon attire. Guns make people more safe right? the more the merrier? Or is there actually some limit?

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Jun 26 2022 12:35pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ 26 Jun 2022 09:31)
No I think that there should a system in place for people between ages of 18-21 where from the time they purchase to the time the get the gun in hand is longer 7 days? something like that?
I also think there should be some sort of "insurance" type system where you have to prove you have no DV/Mental health issues PRIOR to buying a gun.. anyway..
that last part is me poking at you for having concern about concealed weapon attire. Guns make people more safe right? the more the merrier? Or is there actually some limit?


It's a great thing that nobody cares what you think, isn't it? Insurance is not required to exercise a right. And 21 is not when you become an adult. If you wish to change the Constitution, why not get together with those who agree with you and change it? All you need is 70% of the House, 70% of the Senate, all to agree to it, then to send it to the Congresses of every State, and if 38 State Legislatures agree, then it's done. Once the right to bear arms is removed from the Constitution, feel free to impose whatever restrictions you want. Until then, understand that the reason so many States are shifting to Constitutional Carry is specifically because of bullshit like Uvalde. You aren't talking about attempting to control people's right to target shoot or hunt. You're talking about preventing people's Right to self-preservation. That makes you a Tyrant, and nothing more.

I'm all for Constitutional Carry. K-12 already has Constitutional Carry banned. Meaning no good guys with guns except the occasional rent-a-cop. How'd the rent-a-cops do in Uvalde, a town that had it's own special department within the police that was answerable to school officials and not the Sheriff? As long as Constitutional Carry remains banned federally in K-12 schools, State systems which the Federal Government has no right to dictate to in the first place, then no, any clothing that can hide weapons should not be allowed. Hell, for that matter, backpacks should be clear as well. And there should be metal detectors. In fact, let's provide the exact same security for our K-12 schools that we provide for our Courthouses, another "gun free zone".
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Jun 26 2022 01:40pm
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jun 26 2022 11:35am)
It's a great thing that nobody cares what you think, isn't it? Insurance is not required to exercise a right. And 21 is not when you become an adult. If you wish to change the Constitution, why not get together with those who agree with you and change it? All you need is 70% of the House, 70% of the Senate, all to agree to it, then to send it to the Congresses of every State, and if 38 State Legislatures agree, then it's done. Once the right to bear arms is removed from the Constitution, feel free to impose whatever restrictions you want. Until then, understand that the reason so many States are shifting to Constitutional Carry is specifically because of bullshit like Uvalde. You aren't talking about attempting to control people's right to target shoot or hunt. You're talking about preventing people's Right to self-preservation. That makes you a Tyrant, and nothing more.

I'm all for Constitutional Carry. K-12 already has Constitutional Carry banned. Meaning no good guys with guns except the occasional rent-a-cop. How'd the rent-a-cops do in Uvalde, a town that had it's own special department within the police that was answerable to school officials and not the Sheriff? As long as Constitutional Carry remains banned federally in K-12 schools, State systems which the Federal Government has no right to dictate to in the first place, then no, any clothing that can hide weapons should not be allowed. Hell, for that matter, backpacks should be clear as well. And there should be metal detectors. In fact, let's provide the exact same security for our K-12 schools that we provide for our Courthouses, another "gun free zone".


Yes, it's great the the constitution can be amended.. duh thanks
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Jun 26 2022 01:45pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ 26 Jun 2022 12:40)
Yes, it's great the the constitution can be amended.. duh thanks


If you were aware of this fact, why are you attempting to promote infringements upon a Constitutional Right that allows no infringement?
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Jun 26 2022 01:48pm
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jun 26 2022 12:45pm)
If you were aware of this fact, why are you attempting to promote infringements upon a Constitutional Right that allows no infringement?


I said "I believe"
Meaning singular opinion. Yes I would vote to support these things.
It isn't really that hard
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Quote (theCrossbones @ 26 Jun 2022 12:48)
I said "I believe"
Meaning singular opinion. Yes I would vote to support these things.
It isn't really that hard


That's the wonderful thing about a Constitutional Right, as opposed to statute or precedent. Statute and Precedent can be changed with relative ease. Constitutional Rights cannot. The difficulty of Amending the Constitution exists purely and specifically so that you can NOT vote away another person's Rights.

And this is made extremely clear with the overturning of Roe. If you believe there should be a Right, enshrine it in your State's Constitution, or go above and beyond and have it enshrined in the Federal Constitution. Then it will take an act of a supermajority in both the house and the senate (not one or the other), as well as an act of at least 38 State Congresses to modify or remove that right. The entire point is, if it's a Right, you should not be able to vote it away. Because who the fuck are you?
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