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Oct 2 2019 02:26pm
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Since when has he been convicted of a crime? Also beside the point since who he reported to would of been the same with or without Adam.



If the whole issue you have is about partisanship in an investigation, reporting to Bill Barr is a big no no. He is nothing but a partisan.
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Oct 2 2019 02:28pm
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Well for starters its clearly not by the book: Its a leak. He's a CIA officer who was leaking classified information to democrats for political purposes outside of official channels. He's hardly the first or only anti-Trump leaker from inside the IC, so that's not even really notable. What is substantial is how it undermines the legitimacy of the impeachment process, which relied on the narrative that they're just following the initiative of a whistleblower acting in good faith. Schiff had a hand in setting up the very complaint he then cited as cause to start impeachment, conspicuously keeping silent his role in it. That's just more evidence that the house democrats were searching for an excuse to start impeachment proceedings, proactive rather than reactive.


It's the House intel committee...it's not like he leaked it to AOC. Look, we're going to investigate this ad nauseum and if the whistleblower truly didn't act in good faith, the Senate will acquit if Trump is actually impeached. At the end of the day though, there's enough smoke to actually investigate this and these accusations are incredibly concerning to me.

There is no "legitimacy" to an impeachment process. It's a political decision and nothing more. Why do we pretend it's some sacred procedure when the GOP went after Clinton 20 years ago?

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Oct 2 2019 02:33pm
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If the whole issue you have is about partisanship in an investigation, reporting to Bill Barr is a big no no. He is nothing but a partisan.


Michael k. Atkinson is not Bill Barr.
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Oct 2 2019 02:34pm
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Yes, they are going to kidnap them and lock them in a cage.

And cops hunt down criminals. Whistleblowing isn't a crime btw we aren't talking about a criminal.

Arguments by analogy are the weakest form of argument.


This is true. But if he does find them is that grounds for dismissal? Can he fire them? Like iif you work in white house im sure you have to sign some sort of non disclosure agreement?

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cops have a legal right to hunt people down, and even they are restricted from shooting nonviolent criminals trying to flee and can't break into properties without a warrant.

presidents don't have a legal right to hunt anyone down, let alone a whistle blower, which has a legal set of rules protecting them from situations just like this. he could instruct his DOJ to hunt down a lawbreaker, and whistle blowing isn't illegal. that's why they're protected and why you can't sign an NDA in many cases when illegality is concerned.


Thanks for informing me about that.I thought NDA were supposed to prevent things like this from happening.

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Oct 2 2019 02:36pm
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Michael k. Atkinson is not Bill Barr.



Why would an American patriot report anything to a Trump appointee, when Trump and his entire cabinet are traitors to the United States?
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Oct 2 2019 02:38pm
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This is true. But if he does find them is that grounds for dismissal? Can he fire them? Like iif you work in white house im sure you have to sign some sort of non disclosure agreement?



Thanks for informing me about that.I thought NDA were supposed to prevent things like this from happening.


NDA's are sometimes used to cover up legal grey or even illegal areas. but their main purpose is to prevent people from being embarrassed OR to prevent trade secrets from passing in the business sector.

like if you're a celeb with a tiny peener you make groupies sign an NDA so they can't tell anyone. or if you're working on a project for a new super chocolate for Nestle they make you sign an NDA so you can't sell it to another company once u get the formula down.

also, NDAs are used sometimes to prevent people from divulging details in a civil suit where the victim accepts cash rather than pressing charges in a criminal court. so like if i fondled you then you took a 5$ settlement for it you couldn't turn around and try to shame me in public, since in theory i paid you for the fondling. and it was the best 5$ i've ever spent btw.


as to your question to skinned firing whistle blowers can be a legal nightmare. thats part of the protections i was talking about. you cant fire and/or intimidate them or fine them in most cases.

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Oct 2 2019 02:41pm
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Why would an American patriot report anything to a Trump appointee, when Trump and his entire cabinet are traitors to the United States?


michael k. atkinson has been working in the government for over 15 years, but now is a traitor due to trump being pressident. What asinine behavior.
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Oct 2 2019 02:46pm
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NDA's are sometimes used to cover up legal grey or even illegal areas. but their main purpose is to prevent people from being embarrassed OR to prevent trade secrets from passing in the business sector.

like if you're a celeb with a tiny peener you make groupies sign an NDA so they can't tell anyone. or if you're working on a project for a new super chocolate for Nestle they make you sign an NDA so you can't sell it to another company once u get the formula down.

also, NDAs are used sometimes to prevent people from divulging details in a civil suit where the victim accepts cash rather than pressing charges in a criminal court. so like if i fondled you then you took a 5$ settlement for it you couldn't turn around and try to shame me in public, since in theory i paid you for the fondling. and it was the best 5$ i've ever spent btw.


as to your question to skinned firing whistle blowers can be a legal nightmare. thats part of the protections i was talking about. you cant fire and/or intimidate them or fine them in most cases.


Ah seems like a contract of convenience i guess depending what takes place and what side of the table your on.
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Oct 2 2019 03:01pm
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This is true. But if he does find them is that grounds for dismissal? Can he fire them? Like iif you work in white house im sure you have to sign some sort of non disclosure agreement?



Thanks for informing me about that.I thought NDA were supposed to prevent things like this from happening.


NDA doesn't typically mean you look the other way when you see criminal activity.
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Oct 2 2019 03:06pm
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NDA doesn't typically mean you look the other way when you see criminal activity.


of course not at the time seemed like some big grey area to me.
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