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What has Trump done that has influenced the number of black people killed by police?


Hes friends with kanye west, thats one less black person the cops can kill now
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Jun 10 2020 02:09pm
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1270787974880526337

Trump contradicting the statements by SecDef and other military leaders about a willingness to consider renaming bases.

The white identity politics will not be abandoned.
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Quote (IceMage @ Jun 10 2020 04:09pm)
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1270787974880526337

Trump contradicting the statements by SecDef and other military leaders about a willingness to consider renaming bases.

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Jun 10 2020 02:32pm
Quote (IceMage @ Jun 10 2020 01:09pm)
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1270787974880526337

Trump contradicting the statements by SecDef and other military leaders about a willingness to consider renaming bases.

The white identity politics will not be abandoned.


https://www.npr.org/2020/06/10/873421686/pressure-mounts-to-rename-army-bases-that-honor-confederate-officers

I think it's important to look at the history of how some of these bases were named. I think it's pretty disgraceful to have bases named after traitors. Like, how ridiculous would it be to have a military based called Ft Arnold (named after Benedict Arnold)? After all, Arnold was one of Washington's most trusted advisors and a great military mind.
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Jun 10 2020 02:44pm
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https://www.npr.org/2020/06/10/873421686/pressure-mounts-to-rename-army-bases-that-honor-confederate-officers

I think it's important to look at the history of how some of these bases were named. I think it's pretty disgraceful to have bases named after traitors. Like, how ridiculous would it be to have a military based called Ft Arnold (named after Benedict Arnold)? After all, Arnold was one of Washington's most trusted advisors and a great military mind.


BUT IT WAS ABOUT STATES RIGHTS!
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Jun 10 2020 03:10pm
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BUT IT WAS ABOUT STATES RIGHTS!


You know, I honestly used to think that. The Lost Cause narrative has been WILDLY successful in America.
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Jun 10 2020 03:25pm
Quote (thundercock @ Jun 10 2020 04:32pm)
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/10/873421686/pressure-mounts-to-rename-army-bases-that-honor-confederate-officers

I think it's important to look at the history of how some of these bases were named. I think it's pretty disgraceful to have bases named after traitors. Like, how ridiculous would it be to have a military based called Ft Arnold (named after Benedict Arnold)? After all, Arnold was one of Washington's most trusted advisors and a great military mind.


It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to view the Civil War through those lens. Lee and others were products of the time.

He is an iconic figure in American history, albeit on the wrong and losing side of the war. If our aim is to completely whitewash American history, there'd be no one left.
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Jun 10 2020 03:35pm
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It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to view the Civil War through those lens. Lee and others were products of the time.

He is an iconic figure in American history, albeit on the wrong and losing side of the war. If our aim is to completely whitewash American history, there'd be no one left.


I wonder when liberal icon FDR is gonna get lambasted over his super racist internment of Japanese Americans.
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Jun 10 2020 03:36pm
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It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to view the Civil War through those lens. Lee and others were products of the time.

He is an iconic figure in American history, albeit on the wrong and losing side of the war. If our aim is to completely whitewash American history, there'd be no one left.


Benedict Arnold is also an iconic figure in American history. He did a lot of great things for American colonists and the Continental Army...until he betrayed America. Confederate generals also did great things for America...until they openly rebelled.

How are we trying to whitewash the history? We're not removing his speeches from the internet. We're not removing him from textbooks. We're not removing him from museums. We just shouldn't lionize traitors on MILITARY bases.
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Jun 10 2020 03:41pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 10 2020 02:35pm)
I wonder when liberal icon FDR is gonna get lambasted over his super racist internment of Japanese Americans.


He is lambasted for it? You should always look at someone's body work holistically when evaluating them as a human being.

I'd argue that guys like Bragg, Lee, Jackson, etc. as human beings were just fine. bogie is correct that they were products of their time and I don't fault them as human beings for defending slavery. However, they DID openly rebel against the USA. Why would we HONOR traitors on MILITARY bases?

How does Germany deal with heroes from WW1 who also became part of the Nazi war machine?
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