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Jun 9 2020 11:09am
Quote (thundercock @ 9 Jun 2020 18:40)
wat


Here's a great, in-depth article from Harper's Magazine to refresh your memory:
https://harpers.org/archive/2019/03/joe-biden-record/

There's also this little enumeration from a more progressive-leaning site:
https://ridethefence.com/2020/04/09/1040883133-reasons-why-bernies-supporters-will-never-support-joe-biden-seriously-we-counted/

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Joe Biden: Prison-Industrial Complex Enthusiast & Racist

Biden has a terrible record on virtually everything related to minorities, which some may find shocking since he was the running mate of the first African American president in U.S. history.

In the ’70s, he advocated for segregation, claiming the decision was based on “black pride.” He opposed busing as well, and has been called out on it many times over the years, even by Kamala Harris.

His choices disenfranchised at least 22,600,000 African Americans at the time, but he was not concerned. In 1977, he said that if desegregation isn’t done properly, his kids will end up having to grow up in “a racial jungle with tensions having built so high that it is going to explode at some point.” Incredible.

He took it further in the mid ’90s, writing the The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994. This bill hurt millions of Americans, although it disproportionately affected African Americans. Here are some of the ways it did so:

It prevented lower-income inmates from receiving higher education.
It encouraged states to force inmates to serve 85% of their sentence before receiving parole, incentivizing this by giving those who do so grants to build more jails and prisons.
It made drug testing (including for marijuana) mandatory for parolees.
It added a “three-strike” provision for offenders.
It expanded the death penalty, adding sixty new offenses to the list (including some non-violent drug offenses).

If we are to only focus on the African American community at the time and also assume that the previous census information from the 1970s is to be subtracted from that of the 1990s, Biden damaged the lives of an additional 7,400,000 people of color by writing this bill.
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Jun 9 2020 11:18am
Quote (fuzzy159 @ Jun 9 2020 10:52am)
Almost 4x the amount of unarmed blacks were killed by police in 2015 than 2019.

So what you are saying is Trump is doing a better job than his predecessor at fixing this issue?


One side of the mouth: police killing blacks isn't a problem, see how many white people they killed, guy deserved it b/c of crimes a decade ago.

Other side of the mouth: Trump is way better at controlling this problem.

Quote (excellence @ Jun 9 2020 11:05am)
zero criminal justice or police reform done during Bidens 40+ years as a swamp demon

only thing he did was the 1994 crime bill which permanently separated tens of thousands of minority families over petty crimes. Some of these families have been reunited thanks to the First Step Act passed by the current admin (an excellent example of what bi-partisan criminal justice reform can be when not hindered by racists like Biden)


These sort of arguments only work on people who already don't like Biden.

This post was edited by IceMage on Jun 9 2020 11:21am
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Jun 9 2020 11:20am
Quote (thundercock @ 9 Jun 2020 12:40)
wat

oh i'm sure there's some inane bill he has his name attached to renaming a court building which he would call 'reform'. in reality

First Step Act = actual reform
1994 Crime bill = mass incarceration on the basis of skin color
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Jun 9 2020 11:22am
Quote (excellence @ Jun 9 2020 01:20pm)
oh i'm sure there's some inane bill he has his name attached to renaming a court building which he would call 'reform'. in reality

First Step Act = actual reform
1994 Crime bill = mass incarceration on the basis of skin color


Trump passing that deserves praise for sure. But the disappointing thing is that if the same exact bill went through Congress with a Democrat in charge, it probably wouldn't pass.

And we also have to look at all of Trump's actions, not just one bill he passed. The CJ reform bill was contrary to most of his policies and rhetoric.
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Jun 9 2020 11:37am
Quote (IceMage @ 9 Jun 2020 19:22)
Trump passing that deserves praise for sure. But the disappointing thing is that if the same exact bill went through Congress with a Democrat in charge, it probably wouldn't pass.

And we also have to look at all of Trump's actions, not just one bill he passed. The CJ reform bill was contrary to most of his policies and rhetoric.


Which of his policies have hurt blacks?
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Jun 9 2020 04:18pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 9 Jun 2020 18:04)

yep, it’s like when the media screamed at certain protestors for wanting gun rights and the ability to go back to work



https://amp.detroitnews.com/amp/5275209002

these sorts of gatherings = bad, covid-19 spreads like wildfire, youre killing grandparents
other sorts of gatherings = covid-19 no spread at all

question it and you’re “anti-science”
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Jun 9 2020 04:22pm
Quote (IceMage @ Jun 9 2020 01:18pm)
One side of the mouth: police killing blacks isn't a problem, see how many white people they killed, guy deserved it b/c of crimes a decade ago.

Other side of the mouth: Trump is way better at controlling this problem.



These sort of arguments only work on people who already don't like Biden.


This is epic level dodge. You are saying this is a problem correct?

Yes?

Ok so if the number is 1/4 of what it was since 2015 is Trump not doing a good job reducing it?



Yes or no please.
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Jun 9 2020 05:47pm
the one thing that i prioritize above all in terms of policies is hostility towards china and chinese interests
between biden and trump who do you think is more likely to oppose the progress china is making globally?
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Jun 9 2020 06:02pm
Quote (duffman316 @ 10 Jun 2020 01:47)
the one thing that i prioritize above all in terms of policies is hostility towards china and chinese interests
between biden and trump who do you think is more likely to oppose the progress china is making globally?


this one:
https://i.imgur.com/GJ4Vj59.jpg


This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Jun 9 2020 06:02pm
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