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Mar 6 2019 09:53pm
Quote (Helloween7 @ 7 Mar 2019 04:01)
Handcuffs, fellow lefty and SJW. One of the most bizarre unholy alliances I've witnessed this decade has been the "woke" left and Islam. I still can't understand how the intersectional left is unable to criticize Islam and the cultures surrounding Islam amongst many middle east countries.

White Intersectional feminism is critical of plenty of things in western society when it comes to rape culture and inequality, prostitution etc... But it's incapable of calling like it is when it comes to matters of Islam. Child marriages, FGM, restriction of many rights, etc...

Why is Linda Sarsour allowed to parade in women's marches when she promotes sharia law which could not be further from anything feminist. Why is she being applauded still be the "inclusive" crowd when she wishes she could take the vagina away of a FGM survivor because she dare be critical of Islam. Why someone who is not inclusive with the inclusivity crowd?

Why are only radfems fighting this battle and being called bigots and white while doing so?

Is the purity battles and white guilt reaching a level so high that the mere possibility of appearing as a someone who might be a bigot keeps them from doing so? Is it in order to appear the opposite of the right who has some Islamophobia within it's rank? Some sort of overcorrection gone wrong?

I know this isn't totally related to the topic at hand but the back and forth with jews/Israel/palestine and the right/left discussion reminded me of this big question mark I've had for years.


Excellent points, I've been wondering the same. The answer, in my opinion, is that both the Islam and the intersectional left are following an identitarian and authoritarian ideology. Proponents of (the political) Islam want to organize society around the faithful/infidel divide, and based on how strictly someone adheres to the teachings of quran. The intersectional left wants to organize society around the male/female and the white/nonwhite divide, and based on how many intersectionality points someone scores.

The political Islam and the intersectional left have very different visions of their ideal society (sharia law vs a politically hyercorrect socialist utopia), but they share this identitarian and authoritarian core, they both want to abolish personal freedom and the meritocratic principle. The open, democratic, capitalistic, 'liberal' (in the sense of 'freedom') democracies of the West are their biggest ideological enemy and the biggest practical obstacle standing in the way to their respective utopia.

So my theory is that based on some ideological similarities, the political Islam and the intersectional left are sort of "joining forces against a common enemy".

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Quote (Handcuffs @ Mar 6 2019 11:35pm)
Helloween7, how happy I am that you're posting once again. I see you lurking occasionally though. ;)

Your post bring a few things to mind. One of the first things is that I think the situation with the left and criticisms of Islam is very analogous to the situation of those critical of Israel. Unfortunately, some people take criticism of Islam and specific practices as being synonymous with being Islamophobic in terms of being anti-Mulism, similar to how some people view criticisms of Israel as being antisemitic.

Specifically with feminism, I think the nuance is that I agree with some of the people critical of white, Western, radfems in so far as the brand of feminism that they adhere to is inherently influenced by Western ideology, and subsequently there is something to be said about the "holier than thou" approach many Western feminists take. One major example I can think of is the divide over whether hair/head scarves are "feminist" or not, and many Western feminists concluded that they were not, and instead a sign of oppression. Those who opposed this viewpoint argue that there's nothing more feminist than women deciding what they want to wear, including hair/headscarves, and those who wear them reject the idea that they wear them simply because of female subjugation.


I agree that it is very analogous which prompted me to post in the first place. I'm not talking about the headscarf or other such thing. I understand this divide when it comes to wether it is oppression or not. Although the only true answer is that it's oppression :P

I'm talking about liberal feminism literally unable to say it outloud that child marriages is wrong and that it is rape.
I'm talking about my very comments on reddit being deleted or myself being banned from left leaning and LGBT subreddits for criticizing obvious unnaceptable things. Can't condemn stonings and the death penalty for "crimes" that obviously should not warrant it. I should stop mentioning girls and women dying in isolation in period huts because it is not inclusive feminism and could trigger transwomen.

If I am holier than thou and direspectful of brown people means glossing over said issues and letting brown people(and women specifically) die and in misery then I'll stay a western imperialist.

Perhaps you haven't encountered that severe of mindfuckery but I have and I wouldn't say it's that rare amongst the woke brigade. How can left leaning individuals that talks about micro aggression take hot takes stances antithesis to their own supposed core values?
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Mar 6 2019 10:37pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ 7 Mar 2019 03:26)
Palestinians & Arabs living in Israel have higher life expectancies, lower infant mortalities, higher incomes than pretty much every other Muslim country that surrounds them.

I find it mind-boggling how leftists have amnesia of the numerous wars of aggression against Israel in the last 60-70 years by Muslim countries literally looking to exterminate them yet Israel is the great evil of your our day?


This is now like 50 years the occupied territories are transformed in giant prisoners camps where water and electricity are often cut, lands stolen, education lowered.
It's like shooting someone then accusing him of running ...
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Quote (ofthevoid @ 7 Mar 2019 03:07)
Is it me or is antisemitism nearly extinct on the mainstream right - both domestically and abroad, yet it seems to be thriving and lurking on the left not only in the US, but places like UK, France & others?


the right: 'jews will not replace us!'
white supremacist / conservative attacks against jewish institutions: plenty ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_on_Jewish_institutions_in_the_United_States )

the left: 'israel (not 'the jews'!) needs to stop occupying and murdering palestinians'
antifa / left wing attacks against jewish institutions: *crickets*

Quote (Goomshill @ 7 Mar 2019 01:12)
Nobody does a circular firing squad better than democrats. They just can't resist it.
This is the lurching monstrosity I warned everyone about back two years ago.


why am i not surprised that our professional shill just can't comprehend this? the new generation of democrats set out to do exactly that. they aren't 'missing a chance' or 'messing up' by challenging the party establishment. they don't want to be just the next generation of slightly more reasonable and slightly less bigoted republicans, equally corrupt and elitist - they want to be an actual opposition to them in terms of ideas and policies - representing the will of the people, and not the one of corporations and donors.

Quote (ampoo @ 7 Mar 2019 01:17)
typical muslim just cant stop spreading antisemitism and anti israel propaganda

the sky is blue


congratulations. it took you just ONE single post to make a more racist and bigoted statement than omar did in this whole 'controversy'.
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And now the democrats have 'indefinitely postponed' their anti-anti-semitism resolution vote.
First they tried to all-lives-matter the resolution, now they're not going to hold the vote at all

Anyone 'member when Steve King apologized and stopped making a ruckus and still got stripped of his committee seats?
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the right: 'jews will not replace us!'
white supremacist / conservative attacks against jewish institutions: plenty ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_on_Jewish_institutions_in_the_United_States )


Neo-nazis and muslims aren't the mainstream right
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Mar 7 2019 01:42am
Quote (cambovenzi @ 7 Mar 2019 08:37)
Neo-nazis and muslims aren't the mainstream right


just 'very fine people'... no true scotsman...
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Quote (fender @ Mar 7 2019 02:42am)
just 'very fine people'...


Embarrassing that you still use that talking point and thinks its accurate

you let the leftist media lead you around by the nose

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no true scotsman..


Recognizing that a neo-nazi and guys named Muhammad and Hussain who attacked synagogues aren't the mainstream right is not a no true scotsman fallacy. LOL

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Embarrassing that you still use that talking point and thinks its accurate

you let the leftist media lead you around by the nose

Recognizing that a neo-nazi and guys named Muhammad and Hussain who attacked synagogues aren't the mainstream right is not a no true scotsman fallacy. LOL


those who think that way are unfortunately significantly more common than what your propaganda outlets suggest.
also, right wing terrorists are right wing terrorists, no matter what religion (or name).
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Mar 7 2019 02:09am
cambo could pray allah 5 times a day just to not pay taxes
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