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You don't want to hear any arguments when you copy paste the invaders story 1:1 and take it as granted.

That's funny because I don't think I've heard a pip out of the Russian side in almost the whole conflict due to the active censorship of them
You wanted to tell me not to believe my lying eyes and lying ears when I saw the lawfully elected democratic government of Ukraine get overthrown in a color revolution that installed a US puppet regime. And its weird but in 10 years since it happened, I still haven't heard any coherent way for Nazi shills to explain it away. 'It was a popular uprising therefore its legitimate!'. 'We gave ourselves the legal authority after we exiled the opposition!'

there was a democracy in Ukraine, as beleaguered as it was, and it got flushed down the toilet in 2014 and magically a bunch of CIA officers appeared and handpicked the new government

A corrupt russian muppet was thrown out by ukranians. They had 2 regular elections afterwards. Russia didn't accept the loss of power and sent irregular troops to the east. They made up nazi stories and ukranians killing their own people for 8 years to legitimate their invasion in front of their own people. It's pretty simple.

You can watch those endless 3-4hours speeches by putin or lawrow to hear your fairy tale once again.
Meanwhile they openly say they want to destroy Western hegemony, that's honest at least.

You still failed to explain how your fairy tale justifies an invasion
"Let's stop some Nazis in the east by bombing civilians in the whole country and sacrifice the lives of 1m people" Lmao

This post was edited by BaHgerAUT on Feb 2 2024 07:29am

The lawfully and democratically elected president was thrown out by a violent coup d'etat, ending democracy in the country.



No they most certainly did not. You cannot have "regular elections" when half the country is disenfranchised and a civil war is underway. If a "regular election" was held, the party of regions would have won and the president would be yanukovych. Because that's what happened the last time an actual election was held. When the most populous oblasts are besieged and no votes counted from them, and the most popular party in the country is banned and anyone belonging to it either imprisoned or summarily executed by actual nazi death squads, you don't have a democracy anymore.



Russia didn't tattoo Nazi symbols onto the faces of Ukrainians.
Russia didn't make Ukrainians wave Nazi flags and march under Nazi banners
Russia didn't engineer the election of Banderites and found the Azov battalion

America got to listen to 5 years of Democrats labeling Trump supporters Nazis any time they complained their taxes were too high. Then they turned around and supported folks who fight under Nazi flags and tattoo SS symbols on their necks and have framed portraits of Bandera. I believe Nazis when they tell me who they are.



And I'm watching western hegemony be destroyed in real time, and I'm one of the few people who actually opposes it



Ukrainian revolutionaries and ultranationalists are not my problem. I don't care about their fate beyond how it serves American interests, though I consider it a pleasant upside if it gets a whole bunch of actual nazis killed
That's the problem with your simpleminded worldview, you can't comprehend anything beyond 'with us or against us', but then, what do we expect from Nazi supporters?

It's their free choice. Every country can chose to do so and that's no legitimation for other countries to deny their future governments and invade it in the end. Ukrainian conflicts are not the business of russia.



repeat: Ukrainian conflicts are not the business of russia.



repeat: Ukrainian conflicts are not the business of russia.
They better invade austria next, i've seen more nazi symbols here than anywhere else. What does it say about 99% of the country that doesn't carry those symbols though? ah nothing, great.
ironically enough, half of wagnerites leaders carry such symbols.



bitterness and offtopic



99,9% of the victims were civilians and soldiers not sharing any Nazi ideas at all. Great outcome!

What nonsense is this? That statement is plainly wrong on its own merits. That's completely false, the exact opposite of reality. "Free choice" is the basis of democracy, the self-determination of a sovereign people. When a democracy is overthrown and replaced by a repressive autocracy beholden to a foreign puppet master, that's the opposite of free choice. The people of Ukraine had a free choice whether to support a side that leaned towards Russia, or towards the US/EU. They chose Russia. They elected the governor of the ethnic Russian oblast to head the government and he rejected the EU's overtures, and the US backed a color revolution to overthrow that democracy and replace it with CIA plants.

And that's absolutely the basis to delegitimize their government. America has as a matter of course denied the legitimacy of countries that overthrow democracies to put a repressive and regressive regime in power. We go around and say we refuse to recognize their new governments even when they clearly hold full control of the country. Yet Zelensky here had actual nazi death squads running around murdering journalists on his behalf and only held half the country and we support their claim not just to land they hold but even to areas that voted democratically to secede. We've invaded countries for less.




Why the fuck should I care?
I have no reason to care about Russia acting in their own back yard. America should be winning the peace against China, not losing the war against Russia.
Last I checked American national interests are not Ukrainian national interests, full stop



There's no armed battalion of nazis in austria, no formal role in government carved out for nazis in austria, no nazis elected to public office in austria, no nazi death squads running around murdering journalists and dissidents
There's no nazi war criminals being traded in prisoner swaps only to turn around and commit yet another war crime of perfidy to send them back to combat even after swearing not to.
Western journalists don't have to routinely ask austrian soldiers to cover up their nazi tattoos to sanitize their image for western audiences
I don't see twitter and telegram and reddit flooded with combat footage of austrian nazis desecrating corpses, murdering medics or POWs



I repeat myself to drive the point home: I believe Nazis when they tell me who they are
We had years of democrats trying to label everyone a cryptonazi for the most absurd reasons, now you want to pretend the guys tattooing swastikas and SS symbols and black suns to themselves are really just misunderstood victims not sharing any nazi ideas at all


Again, I have no reason to care about the Ukrainian people. I have no reason to care about arabs being bombed in US misadventures in the mideast, but I have even less sympathy for nazis than isis, and the iraq/afghan/syria/yemen/etc wars never actually threatened US hegemony like how Biden is undermining the petrodollar reserve currency and driving the unaligned world into China's grasp right now.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Feb 2 2024 02:02pm

In a fight between Iran and Pakistan my answer to "Who should take the most damage" is "yes". Don't care. We need these fuckers all to stop receiving money stolen from American taxpayers at gunpoint.

This whole Post is "but murica"
Also austria had a nazi vice chancelor

This post was edited by BaHgerAUT on Feb 3 2024 02:38am

This is the leader of the Ukrainian armed forces, in a facebook post he made just 17 hours ago



I believe Nazis when they tell me who they are
The right sector handed out translated copies of Mein Kampf and Protocols of the Elders of Zion during the Maidan, they're not exactly hiding their allegience to herr hitler

This post was edited by Goomshill on Feb 3 2024 02:42am