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Apr 23 2019 11:41am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 23 2019 12:09pm)
Trump had lots of flaws, yes, but he had considerable upside as well, being the first candidate in a long time running on a platform of pushing back globalization and free trade, taking a hard stance against immigration and putting the focus back on what once made America great (at least in the minds of the voters he was going for).

And, perhaps even more importantly, he was running against Hillary, the most corrupt, unlikable, infamous candidate the Democrats have nominated in decades. She had an abysmal platform, zero charisma, wasnt exciting anyone from the progressive activist base and was intensely loathed by the conservative half of America.

Hillary was indeed the presidential candidate with the 2nd worst favorability ratings in history, ahead only of Trump himself, and just by a small margin.


My basic point is that there's a myriad of things Trump said or supported which offended the sensibilities of a sizable number of voters. Banning all Muslims from the US, deporting 11 million illegal immigrants, targeting civilians on the battlefield, letting Japan acquire nuclear weapons, not to mention the million times he put his foot in his mouth unnecessarily by overreacting to criticism. And he won.

But then Bernie and other Democrats come out in favor of some nutty ideas, and we're supposed to believe the election is over? I don't accept that. 2016 taught us that the larger narrative is what matters, and voters are willing to look past the rough edges of a candidate if they buy into that larger narrative.
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Apr 23 2019 11:47am
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My basic point is that there's a myriad of things Trump said or supported which offended the sensibilities of a sizable number of voters. Banning all Muslims from the US, deporting 11 million illegal immigrants, targeting civilians on the battlefield, letting Japan acquire nuclear weapons, not to mention the million times he put his foot in his mouth unnecessarily by overreacting to criticism. And he won.

But then Bernie and other Democrats come out in favor of some nutty ideas, and we're supposed to believe the election is over? I don't accept that. 2016 taught us that the larger narrative is what matters, and voters are willing to look past the rough edges of a candidate if they buy into that larger narrative.


He narrowly won many counties in the rust belt. I think Hillary having a proven pro outsourcing policy and generally being as neoliberal as it gets just made people willing to vote for trump and believe his bullshit since their cities are dying and the optics at least appear that mainstream/neoliberal democrats don't care about them.

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Apr 23 2019 02:55pm
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My basic point is that there's a myriad of things Trump said or supported which offended the sensibilities of a sizable number of voters. Banning all Muslims from the US, deporting 11 million illegal immigrants, targeting civilians on the battlefield, letting Japan acquire nuclear weapons, not to mention the million times he put his foot in his mouth unnecessarily by overreacting to criticism. And he won.

But then Bernie and other Democrats come out in favor of some nutty ideas, and we're supposed to believe the election is over? I don't accept that. 2016 taught us that the larger narrative is what matters, and voters are willing to look past the rough edges of a candidate if they buy into that larger narrative.


We actually agree then, I think. Misteps like supporting voting rights for imprisoned felons dont mean it's game over for the Dems. But it will hurt their nominee, no doubt about that.



One thing to keep in mind about Trump and his errors is that most of the mistakes he made on the campaign trail were only errors from the pov of liberals/the media/moderate swing voters, but relatively irrelevant in the eyes of his base. And the errors and flaws he exposed on the campaign trail mostly didnt affect his core message. Him insulting a gold star family or the Access Hollywood Tape surfacing did not compromise his message of bringing back industry jobs and keeping illegal aliens out.

By contrast, if the Democratic nominee runs on a platform of equality, fairness and opportunity to everyone, extending this messaging to convincted felons might very well cause a lot of liberal voters to question if those concepts really should apply to everyone. This stance will directly confront (D)-leaning voters with the moral and practical pitfalls of the core pillars of the Democratic platform.

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Apr 23 2019 03:45pm
https://saraacarter.com/ilhan-omar-slammed-u-s-soldiers-involved-in-black-hawk-down-incident/

#NotTodaySatan she said, a clear reference in the Middle East to the United States as "the Great Satan" of the world.

I'd love to know how this mindset is compatible with her oath of office:

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I, Ilhan Omar, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter.
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Apr 23 2019 04:03pm
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#NotTodaySatan she said, a clear reference in the Middle East to the United States as "the Great Satan" of the world.

I'd love to know how this mindset is compatible with her oath of office:


She can easily weasel out of this by saying that she was referring to the military-industrial complex and its war-mongering, not the people, the institutions or the constiution of the US.
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Apr 24 2019 06:41am
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#NotTodaySatan she said, a clear reference in the Middle East to the United States as "the Great Satan" of the world.

I'd love to know how this mindset is compatible with her oath of office:


What, you think our country's so innocent?

Give me a break... you libertarians are all about criticizing the US military. But then a Muslim Congresswoman does it, and suddenly she's a traitor.

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What, you think our country's so innocent?

Give me a break... you libertarians are all about criticizing the US military. But then a Muslim Congresswoman does it, and suddenly she's a traitor.


I do criticize. What I don't do is go around chanting "death to America" like the people who call us the Great Satan do.
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Apr 25 2019 01:49am
https://www.jpost.com/International/Was-Jesus-a-Palestinian-and-why-would-Congresswoman-Ilhan-Omar-care-587749

She's truly the gift that keeps on giving.
On Easter, she retweeted a guy claiming 'Jesus was a Palestinian'. Which has been a meme that started with Yasser Arafat as a particularly subversive form of anti-semitic Temple Denial- basically trying to erase the historical Jewish presence in Israel by claiming that ancient Jews were actually 'Palestinians' and ignoring or denying that they were Jewish. Its also been spread by Louis Farrakhan and Jeremiah Wright, its common where far-left black nationalists and palestinian nationalists collide.

She has so many scandals she doesn't even get called out on this shit.
And I should be criticizing Trump for his dumb tweet yesterday where he falsely accused Mexican troops of conspiring with drug traffickers over a silly misunderstanding on the border- a very inflammatory tweet. But its like the Britain First retweets, when they call wolf on him a thousand times for bogus scandals, the real ones just get ignored. For Ilhan Omar, its like a thousand real wolves showed up and we can't count them all.
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Apr 25 2019 05:06am
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47601125

Joe Biden's launched his 2020 bid.

My first concern is that he's too old, just like Bernie.
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Apr 25 2019 06:14am
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47601125

Joe Biden's launched his 2020 bid.

My first concern is that he's too old, just like Bernie.


too old, not lefty enough, utter lack of intersectionality, easy prey for #metoo.

I dont expect him to become the nominee, but he will be one of the major contenders.

Imho, Bernie and Biden will split a lot of the primary voters along the left-right-paradigma, while the black voters gravitate towards Harris. In the end, Harris clinches the nomination as an ideological compromise between Bernie's progressive left policies, and Biden's centrist stances. Then, they'll give her Beto as the VP nominee to appeal to younger voters and hispanics, and to satisfy the white dude quota.
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