Quote (TiStuff @ 19 Oct 2023 07:43)
these are just excuses that lack persuasive power. seems more of an attempt to convince your self
what scripture(s) convinced you "...this cant be it" ?
I found more then one in the Quran, Bible, and Torah which I consider the 3 Major Texts within the Abrahamic faiths.
I should mention though that they all contain "profound metaphors" that when read "intellectually" or from a "non-religious" point of view I can see how people are so enamored with certain scripture(hence the thousand other "denominations" of each faith.
The main ones are simply the "of those times" texts which prove that the "literate scribes of those times" wrote most if not all of it. I will say like I mentioned above that you can realize God and develop a relationship with Jesus, Moses, Mohammad and it could be "good" or "bad". You see that when Muslims call anyone who isn't a "believer" an "infidel" who should be killed.
You see it in the Bible in Exodus(21:7 / 21:1-36 / 35:2 and Corinithians(14:34-35) when discussing slave ownership as it relates to men/woman and how slaves should be treated. In Exodus 35:2 it states that if you "work" on Sunday you should be "put to death" because it is the day God made holy.
In the Quran it's the "Surahs" which say "kill the non-believers" and in verse 34-36 talk about woman being property and to "strike your woman" basically at your discretion.
In the Torah/Kabbalistic texts it's the sheer mass of "commandments" that must be obeyed and can never be broken(I think there's over 600) and the "punishments that must be administered"
Men who commit a homosexual act (Lev 20:13)
Sabbath violators (stoning; Num 15:35)
Blasphemers (stoning; Lev 24:16)
Witches (Exod 22:17)
People who commit zooerasty (Exod 22:18, Lev 20:15-16)
Maidens found to be without a hymen on their wedding night (stoning, Deut 22:21)
A priest’s daughter who fornicates (burning, Lev 21:9)
Children who strike or curse their parents (Exod 21:15, 17)
Sons who are drunkards and don’t listen to their parents (stoning, Deut 21:18-21)
After reading most the texts through and through(I read them slowly to truly try and understand what may have been going through those individuals minds and hearts at the time) when I came to Hinduism and started reading those texts they to had some things written as above but were 1/100th in magnitude.
You could tell when you read the Bhgavad Gita and the 4 Vedas that "they" may have truly been "inspired by God" they were also handed down "orally" before they were written and they predate the Abrahamic texts by over 1000 years and yet are more profound and even scientifically oriented as well as just more powerful philosophically because basically the Hindu "Rishis" thought out and answered any "question" a human being might have about anything.
It's not forced upon you the way the Abrahamic texts are and their are "different paths for different people". For example I was more oriented towards "karma yoga" / "the path of action". Simply put, "Try and do good" "Try and see God everywhere and deify life itself so your always happy even when your doing things you may not want to do. Gyana Yoga for example I could care less about. That's the path of Wisdom/ the intellectual path to "god realization". I sort of relate it to "knowing all the texts" "knowing all the science" "just keep learning and pursuing secular knowledge". When I met people that practiced this path they tended to be PhD's and were sort of "conceited" in the sense that they "always think they know more then the other paths to realization".
When I read the 2nd chapter of the Gita, "I got it" because
In the story Arjuna pleads with "God" / "Krishna" to not have to go on killing and warring. He doesn't want to kill his own kin and Krishna says to him..."do your duty, you are a warrior, and warriors kill" and if you think that what you do is "bad" know this....
You are the Supreme Brahman, the ultimate, the supreme abode and purifier, the Absolute Truth and the eternal divine person. You are the primal God, transcendental and original, and You are the unborn and all-pervading beauty.
If you will not fight this righteous war, then you will fail in your duty, lose your reputation, and incur sin. People will talk about your disgrace forever. To the honored, dishonor is worse than death.
This post was edited by SwamiVivekananda on Oct 19 2023 08:54am