Quote (bogie160 @ Jul 12 2020 03:39pm)

Do Norman descendants in England inherit moral culpability for the Norman conquest? Studies demonstrate wealth disparities between Anglo-Saxon and Norman families to this day.

Quote (ReturnFormer @ Jul 12 2020 03:58pm)

So, you're saying the government from Obama to trump was a continuous entity...?

Quote (Queefy @ Jul 12 2020 03:41pm)

Not really, he said government would pay for it. Which leads to government gets money from tax payers, so who gets taxed.
Its an easy progression from the point he tried to make.

You cant just make a point and expect it to end there, it needs to be analyzed, because all of these things would have to be taken into account if the government was going to pay reparations.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Jul 12 2020 03:36pm)

The American government doesn’t just represent anglo-saxons, Spaniards and Portuguese who predominantly dominated the slave trade.

None of my ancestors were here 50 years ago. If you think anyone in my family line & many like me are going to roll over and agree to have our tax dollars go to something we had nothing to do with then gl.

Imagine telling the Hispanic/Latino Or Asian populationS their taxes are increasing because we have to pay reparations. Would be the end of the Democratic Party.

Quote (Queefy @ Jul 12 2020 04:32pm)

And where do you think the Government gets the money from? You guessed it.. tax payers.
So who pays for it? Everybody who is white? because it seems counter intuitive to tax people who arent white...
So from there, which white people get taxed? Many of us have great grandparents, grandparents, parents, etc. who immigrated after slavery was abolished...
My jewish great grandparents immigrated from poland in the early 1920's to escape the soviet polish war.
Should they (who couldnt speak more than a few phrases of english) have paid reparations after immigrating to the country 60 years after the abolishment of slavery?
Should I do so now as their descendant just because im white?
No, is the correct answer.

You cannot impose a 'white tax' on people, let alone people who have zero connections to slavery at all.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 12 2020 03:57pm)

Even if one agreed with the point you made, which I dont, it would still not make sense to let those whites whose ancestors arrived after the late 19th century pay reparations. Their ancestors arriven when slavery was long abolished and most lucrative land was already assigned. Why should they pay reparations to compensate for the sins that other people committed, people with which they have nothing in common but the white skin color?

Speaking of the inconsistencies: would black people who immigrated to the U.S. after 1964 also receive these reparations, or would they be excluded from them?
On a general note: the argument "you don't have to pay for lefty policy XY, the government will pay for it" is really modern liberalism in a nutshell. :rolleyes: :rofl:

Quote (thundercock @ Jul 12 2020 01:28pm)

Instead of reparations, why don't we count their votes more? They were considered 3/5ths of a person for representation, maybe we can make it 5/3rd for 80 years?

Quote (Thor123422 @ 12 Jul 2020 23:11)

Black people who immigrated after 1964 have still experienced problems even if they didn't experience full blown slavery or Jim Crow. Similarly white people have benefited from ongoing issues after 1964 like red-lining. Like Skinned said, you don't get to move and claim exclusion from the ongoing politics of the country. That goes for the good and the bad.

Still, those are practical issues. I'm only interested in the principle for now.

Quote (Thor123422 @ 12 Jul 2020 22:23)

I learned recently that almost all white families in the United States can trace their families wealth back to the United States literally giving away land, and that minority families were not allowed to apply for those land grants. That land was used as the seed money for those families for generations, investing and building multi-generational wealth, while at the same time black families were often disallowed from even getting loans for homes in the good parts of town, which then lead to less wealth, corporate exploitation, less political power to fight the exploitation, etc. etc.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Jul 12 2020 02:16pm)

Because groups like the North Carolina legislature engage in active voter suppression of Black people.

Quote (Skinned @ Jul 12 2020 05:02pm)

You don't get to just show up and nullify our ongoing history. If you didn't want an American identity then you should have stayed someone else and deal with their shit.

You came to a country with a racist history who owes reparations to some people. Nobody made you come here and you probably heard about this even in a Slav classroom.




American government gets its money from people who no longer get tax returns and instead get tax bills. Aka earners.

Most people are free riders like you probably are.

I don't care how hard your grand parents worked. A lot of people work hard. You didn't escape a war, not your brag. They could have fought for their country instead of leave.