Dutch police are being infiltrated by criminal gangs, report says

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/16/dutch-police-criminal-gangs



Holland police under fire after recorded felony traffic stop

https://www.hollandsentinel.com/news/20180505/holland-police-under-fire-after-recorded-felony-traffic-stop




Just on the 1st page results of Google search for: Holland police force incidents

Nice you are lowering the discussion to elementary school levels.
Stick on this and get good, boomer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_by_country

No problem snowflake.

when you really break down the situation the only good position for liberals is "give them space, slowly follow from a safe distance back, and just monitor the situation".

armed robbers who already had shot people needed to be gotten. now can i say for certainty that no cop made even a single "bad shot"? of course not. im sure it was a wild crossfire of poor marksmenship.

but like what do you do? let them go? or give them space to take 32 hostages so they can start a 48 hour lockdown negotiation where they kill more people?

shitty spot for sure. ill be reading up on the exact timeline for sure.

4 total deaths:

innocent bystander in car
ups guy
2 bad guys

majority of us our not experts ofc to say how it should have been handled. however majority can also agree this proportion is likely not appropriate and should be reviewed to see if it could have been handled better. using pedestrians as public shields...like



would largely agree if they had killed anyone, and they had opportunity to prior to the finale

i feel like, but still need to review, that from the time the robbery was done and they were on the run whenever cops approached them a shootout would have begun. with a hostage.

so really it comes down to if the cops should have ever approached them with the hostage still in tow, and what likelihood they could have ever gotten the hostage away.

the innocent bystander seems like a much more likely case for wrongful death than the hostage, but i could be wrong.

Communist indoctrination, fam.

Those who died are justified
For wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died

I guess my question is was the suspect really willing to kill the hostage or just trying to use him for something. If the car was forced to a stop and they waited him out would suspect ultimately have surrendered? If the answer is no, then what’s the difference given the end result with how it played out lead to the hostage’s death anyway.

Why did this chase take ~30 minutes? It’s downtown Miami and they had a helicopter, I guess I just feel like the car should have been grounded earlier ?

from what i understand cops try to treat all suspects with the most danger potential so as to not get caught off guard. thats a bad thing when someone has a knife, or is unarmed but on PCP. but when they have a gun they've already used for a crime and are in a fleeing vehicle (a deadly weapon in itself) it's "safer" both for cops and bystanders to put them down as soon as u can. similar to a kid in a school with a gun that hasnt shot anyone yet. we call both the teachers who talk them down and the cops who kill them before an innocent kid dies a hero. kind of odd.

im still at work and havent read up on the details in the OP yet tho, so these are really just generalities. seems like at best the execution in this case wasnt handled well.