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There you go, you merely say that it is not evidence. Have you noticed that prayer actually works? Sure, you can call it a coincidence the first 10 times, 20 times or even 100 times. Yet there comes a point in time where the argument of coincidence sounds very weak.
Why does praying to God always work? Whenever I pray then God answers that prayer. It all only ever happens after prayer. I pray for God to give me strength and he does. I pray for God to help me through any situation that I'm in and he does.

What other possible explanation could there be why praying to God always works? Are you saying that praying means absolutely nothing?

You are a fool if you think there is no God.


When prayer "works" how do you know it is because of the prayer? And what is your evidence that prayer always works? It seems most outcomes are in-line with your prayer when the prayer is for something that was already likely to happen on its own. For example praying to win the lottery almost always fails but praying to find my car keys is a guarantee.

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When prayer "works" how do you know it is because of the prayer? And what is your evidence that prayer always works? It seems most outcomes are in-line with your prayer when the prayer is for something that was already likely to happen on its own. For example praying to win the lottery almost always fails but praying to find my car keys is a guarantee.


Daniel 6
1 Samuel 1:11
Acts 12:5
1 Kings 19:20
Mark 5:23
James 2:23
Exodus 33:18
2 Kings 20:3
Luke 22:42
Daniel 2:17-18
2 Kings 6:16
Luke 23:42-43

It is not an isolated incident that when you pray, it works. You might call it a coincidence the first 10 times, or even 20 but after 100 times the argument of coincidence just becomes utterly ridiculous.
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Daniel 6
1 Samuel 1:11
Acts 12:5
1 Kings 19:20
Mark 5:23
James 2:23
Exodus 33:18
2 Kings 20:3
Luke 22:42
Daniel 2:17-18
2 Kings 6:16
Luke 23:42-43

It is not an isolated incident that when you pray, it works. You might call it a coincidence the first 10 times, or even 20 but after 100 times the argument of coincidence just becomes utterly ridiculous.


Books saying prayer works isn't a demonstration that prayer works.

I can give you plenty of examples of prayer not working. I've worked in a hospital for a few years now, so I see prayer failing pretty regularly.
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Books saying prayer works isn't a demonstration that prayer works.

I can give you plenty of examples of prayer not working. I've worked in a hospital for a few years now, so I see prayer failing pretty regularly.


A few more examples.

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=78631766&f=125
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=78436959&f=125

Let's also explore more on what prayer does and why we pray.

Prayer is a form of serving God (Luke 2:36-38) and obeying him. God commands us to pray (Philippians 4:6-7). Prayer is also exemplified for us by Christ and the early Church (Mark 1:35; Acts 1:14; 2:42; 3:1; 4:23-31; 6:4; 13:1-3).

God also intends prayer to be the means of obtaining His solutions in many situations. We pray in preparation for major decisions (Luke 6:12-13), overcome demonic barriers (Matthew 17:14-21), gather workers for the spiritual harvest (Luke 10:2), gain strength to overcome temptation (Matthew 26:41) and to obtain the means of strengthening others spiritually (Ephesians 6:18-19).

We have God's promise that our prayers are not in vain, even if we do not receive what we asked for (Matthew 6:6; Romans 8:26-27). We have God's assurance that when we ask for things that are in accordance with His will then He will give us what we ask for (1 John 5:14-15). The three answers to prayer are: Yes, No and later. In these scenarios, we are to be diligent and persistent in prayer (Matthew 7:7; Luke 18:1-8). I see prayer as a means of getting God's will done on Earth as opposed to getting God to do my will. God's wisdom far exceeds my own.

If the Syrian woman with the demon-influenced daughter had not prayed to Christ, her daughter would not have been made whole (Mark 7:26-30). If the blind man outside Jericho had not called out to Christ, he would have remained blind (Luke 18:35-43). God has said that we often go without because we do not ask (James 4:2).

https://www.gotquestions.org/why-pray.html
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But which way did YOU read the sign in that pic above?
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But which way did YOU read the sign in that pic above?


God is now here.
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And yet we have all experienced when prayer doesn't work.
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God is now here.


no, here
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And yet we have all experienced when prayer doesn't work.


We don't always get what we want but do you trust God during those times? God always has a plan.
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