you’re the one who said you preferred a society devoid of anyone who doesnt look like or think like you, not me.

When you say we're heading towards Venezuela under Biden it's obvious the only studying you're referencing is the campaign ads Trump ran in Florida.

Maduro is a bus driver, AOC is a bartender. Give it a few years.

No one is concerned about Biden. He is a senile old man who will be gone in 4 years. We are talking, as always, about the American left.

What specific policies are they proposing that are taking us down a path to Venezuela?

Why is the focus on a mildly irrelevant political group?

Biden was the most centrist candidate in the primary... he won. Democrats control the Senate... Joe Manchin, a Democratic Senator from a state that favored Trump more than any other, came out already against the filibuster and is even skeptical about more relief checks.

If the worry is that the party is moving left, that's legitimate. But perhaps a way to address that is to support the Republican party getting better and more serious, rather than going full retard, justified by the idea that Democrats are going to take away our culture, rights, and religion.

Have you read the Democratic platform? Wealth squandered supporting bankrupt state public sectors, federal $15 minimum wage, housing as a right. We're only scratching the surface, because the activists think these policies are conservative.



The left-wing of the Democratic party is already winning the fight. They have already won the fight on tactics. What was done to Kavanaugh can be done to anyone. If it wasn't for a select few senators holding firm the Democratic party would have successfully created a precedent that any man (and it has to be a man) can have his reputation and career destroyed by fabricated allegations without a shred of evidence made ~30+ years ago. They support violence in the streets. They support censorship. Worse, they have the institutional power to ensure that some of these things can get done.

The Republican party needs leadership and direction. It cannot win a national campaign as it is right now. But the solution is not to pretend that the American left are good faith centrist actors. It is a lie. The ideologues in charge of pushing the party constantly to the left.

This post was edited by bogie160 on Jan 19 2021 01:46pm

"Wealth squandered supporting bankrupt public sectors" is literally the entire industrialized world. The government funds things for the public good that otherwise aren't profitable. I assume you're talking about the post office though? If so you're ignorant of the active sabotage that's taken place for the past ~15 years to bankrupt an otherwise wildly successful public institution.

$15 minimum wage is not radical in the slightest. That's almost where it would have been if it had been indexed to inflation in the 70's. This has been studied to death and the minimum wage does not kill jobs. Yeah you can quote economic models, but when you actually look at the data in the real world plenty of studies have concluded the exact opposite, even when looking directly adjacent counties.

Housing as a right is all in the details honestly. Affordable housing as a right is stupidly obvious and necessary to the basic functioning of capitalism. This is why I asked you to be specific, because you're throwing out policies without details of why they are bad or why they are taking us down the road to Venezuela.

You've turned from somebody with at least decently reasoned positions I disagree with to somebody who does nothing but parrot Trump campaign commercials. For shame.



TIL Kavanaugh didn't become a supreme court justice.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jan 19 2021 01:57pm

ALL BS EXCEPT BOLD POINTS

The left is winning the fight... even though Biden was the most centrist candidate in the primary... even though at his core he's a unifying figure who expressed the genuine desire to work with Republicans... even though he, and most Democrats, condemned the rioting in the summer.

The Kavanaugh fight is an example of how toxic American politics can be, and how politicians playing hardball can result in some of their supporters becoming unhinged. But ultimately Kavanaugh was made a Supreme Court justice. And I don't think people on the left who fervently opposed his nomination, and believed Blasey Ford, were by and large bad faith actors. Supreme Court picks are extremely consequential, so it's not surprising when things get heated.

My main point is that it's silly to pretend the left controls the Democratic party... especially when it's almost a certainty that even with control of the Senate, the filibuster will not get removed.

This sort of catastrophizing is how people elect, and then defend, a corrupt and evil man like Donald Trump. It's not good for our democracy.

This post was edited by IceMage on Jan 19 2021 08:42pm

Well said.