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Quote (Marcelius91 @ Jun 23 2019 05:52pm)
cambovenzi II


Marcelius91 posts stupid posts.
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"cambovenzi II"

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I'm sure there are some bomb ass private hospitals for wealthy people where money isn't a problem. I'm talking about the for-profit hospitals that you would go to and use private insurance at...places without emergency rooms so they aren't subject to EMTALA and therefore not part of the American uninsured but universal healthcare scheme. They will treat you until the insurance company says they can and will discharge you without thought for your condition or what happens to you. They usually discharge, are in the community for less than 24 hours, and end up in an ER with their benefits exhausted. They get treated and end up with huge medical bills with very limited options while inpatient.



Amazon workers pay their own wages with their labor output and their surplus labor value is what becomes the profit. There are dudes that identify what to buy from where and dudes that move stuff from A to B. Those are the guys who make the money at Amazon. They pay their own salaries, their own benefits, the benefits and salaries of their managers including Jeff "Alimony" Bezos, and then create so much more value beyond that which pays for their human resources, gets reinvested into the company, and goes into shareholder pockets.

No matter how you look at it, it is the workers paying all taxes, really three, as they are paying their own taxes in a crude way off paycheck, they are having most of the value they create moved to multiple places where they are taxed again in the form of capital gains for their masters after they pay them to be their masters, and taxation in general on the company, whose model is based upon their actions completely. Not all, but the vast majority of value is based on labor, as best can be guessed.


Ah there we go back to nonsense. Feel free to quit your job and pay yourself with your own labor output. I highly encourage all leftists to try this out and find out how much value they actually have.
No one is paying anything if they get don't get their money from an employer. None of this disproves what I said it's just a silly way of looking at economics. Government would love it though, they would also think there is value in digging a hole so they can fill it back up with the same dirt.

This post was edited by LA-Leviathan on Jun 23 2019 12:37pm
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The tax issues in the United States is it needs to be simplified and a VAT needs to be created.

Income taxes should be simplified and VAT should be used and simplified tax policy so companies have less ability to lobby power to skirt paying taxes.

Income taxes should still be progressive , however doing anything beyond 40-50% even for the highest of earners just isn't going to work pragmatically in a political sense.
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The tax issues in the United States is it needs to be simplified and a VAT needs to be created.

Income taxes should be simplified and VAT should be used and simplified tax policy so companies have less ability to lobby power to skirt paying taxes.

Income taxes should still be progressive , however doing anything beyond 40-50% even for the highest of earners just isn't going to work pragmatically in a political sense.


yeah good luck with that but this is sound, and could produce favorable long-term results. it’s unfortunate that the racket (the tax system) has zero incentive to be reformed in such a manner
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Quote (LA-Leviathan @ Jun 24 2019 05:36am)
Ah there we go back to nonsense. Feel free to quit your job and pay yourself with your own labor output. I highly encourage all leftists to try this out and find out how much value they actually have.
No one is paying anything if they get don't get their money from an employer. None of this disproves what I said it's just a silly way of looking at economics. Government would love it though, they would also think there is value in digging a hole so they can fill it back up with the same dirt.


I could easily do just that, so where do we go from here?
Just for the record if the right knew anything about economics you wouldn't vote right.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Jun 23 2019 01:34pm
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I could easily do just that, so where do we go from here?
Just for the record if the right knew anything about economics you wouldn't vote right.

>corporations are evil and ruin society and economies
>works for a massive oil corporation

>brags about his wealth to strangers on the internet
>the rich are to blame for everything

>millionaires need to be taxed more
>only if they make more than i do

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I could easily do just that, so where do we go from here?
Just for the record if the right knew anything about economics you wouldn't vote right.


You forgot to respond to the response I directed at you.
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Quote (excellence @ Jun 24 2019 06:37am)
>corporations are evil and ruin society and economies
>works for a massive oil corporation

>brags about his wealth to strangers on the internet
>the rich are to blame for everything

>millionaires need to be taxed more
>only if they make more than i do


Top is correct.

The rich are not to blame for anything, the mega wealthy are to blame for corrupting the system to the point where politics caters to them and not the citizens.

Actually i voted for a tax for millionaires this year, i have consistently stated i want a flat tax rate of 20% for everyone.

Quote (LA-Leviathan @ Jun 24 2019 06:41am)
You forgot to respond to the response I directed at you.


I do not respond to profanity, try again without the hostility.

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Top is correct.

The rich are not to blame for anything, the mega wealthy are to blame for corrupting the system to the point where politics caters to them and not the citizens.

Actually i voted for a tax for millionaires this year, i have consistently stated i want a flat tax rate of 20% for everyone.

yeah we know you contribute to the degradation of society and economies

>its not ‘my rich people’ its ‘those rich people’ who are at fault
Lmao

>flat tax is oppression of the poor
not surprised a racist like you voted for this
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Quote (excellence @ Jun 24 2019 06:44am)
yeah we know you contribute to the degradation of society and economies

>its not ‘my rich people’ its ‘those rich people’ who are at fault
Lmao

>flat tax is oppression of the poor
not surprised a racist like you voted for this


The poor here pay minimum 28%
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