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Dec 19 2018 01:25pm
Quote (balrog66 @ Dec 19 2018 03:56pm)
We should all remember that Cameron has been the one who lit the fuse of the Brexit bomb. Then he quickly left the crime scene once things turned pearshaped.

The right choice would have been to do negotiations before a referendum, but alas. Gotta make do with the current situation, and it isn't looking pretty for EU nor UK. And there isn't really a deal possible that will work in favour of both.

Canceling Brexit would amount to finally admitting the days of British imperialism are dead and gone, don't see it happening. Also the EU would take even less shit from them from then on, leaving EU would be seen as empty threats.


British Imperialism was dead and gone after the Suez crisis in the 1950's.
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Dec 19 2018 02:16pm
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British Imperialism was dead and gone after the Suez crisis in the 1950's.


Geopolitically maybe. Definitely feels like the sentiment isn't dead yet though.
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Dec 19 2018 02:25pm
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Geopolitically maybe. Definitely feels like the sentiment isn't dead yet though.


There is no doubt that many British people, mostly those over 60, think we've still got Queen Vicky in charge and have the best navy in the seven seas. Even Germany and Japan aren't major global players and their economies are a lot bigger than ours.
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Dec 19 2018 02:28pm
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There is no doubt that many British people, mostly those over 60, think we've still got Queen Vicky in charge and have the best navy in the seven seas. Even Germany and Japan aren't major global players and their economies are a lot bigger than ours.


If you Brits think you have it bad in terms of "woes of a lost empire", take a look at Austria, who lost 90% of their territory and now are a largely irrelevant microstate that absolutely no one outside of europe gives any fuck about.

Heck, half the americans probably dont even know the difference between Austria and Australia.
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Dec 19 2018 02:33pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 19 2018 02:28pm)
If you Brits think you have it bad in terms of "woes of a lost empire", take a look at Austria, who lost 90% of their territory and now are a largely irrelevant microstate that absolutely no one outside of europe gives any fuck about.

Heck, half the americans probably dont even know the difference between Austria and Australia.


some where in all of that is a brilliant joke about "taking an L" that i cba to think out.
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Dec 19 2018 02:36pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 19 2018 09:33pm)
some where in all of that is a brilliant joke about "taking an L" that i cba to think out.


I giggled, but hey, I live in a province of Germany of a part of Scandinavia, whom has lost about 90% of territory somewhere over history :D
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Dec 19 2018 02:40pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 19 2018 09:28pm)
If you Brits think you have it bad in terms of "woes of a lost empire", take a look at Austria, who lost 90% of their territory and now are a largely irrelevant microstate that absolutely no one outside of europe gives any fuck about.

Heck, half the americans probably dont even know the difference between Austria and Australia.


To be fair, I don't think the Austrians mobilised their delusional nationalistic pride (if they even possess it) into a movement that caused a major peacetime political crisis.

The failed Weimar Republic and subsequent rise of Hitler might be the biggest 'shoot yourself in the foot' political period in a country's history, but Brexit could be 2nd. At least the Germans were really suffering during that period - we have it good but wanted more!
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Dec 19 2018 03:10pm
Quote (Knoppie @ Dec 19 2018 02:36pm)
I giggled, but hey, I live in a province of Germany of a part of Scandinavia, whom has lost about 90% of territory somewhere over history :D


i've always found alsace lorraine to be the most ethnically interesting area of Europe. that general area has changed hands so many damn times haha.
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Dec 19 2018 03:11pm
Quote (Knoppie @ 19 Dec 2018 21:36)
I giggled, but hey, I live in a province of Germany of a part of Scandinavia, whom has lost about 90% of territory somewhere over history :D


i think it's rather fascinating how different countries deal with their past, their historic mistakes and cruelties, how history is taught, and which sentiments are fostered.
countries like russia, turkey, parts of the uk all have significant portions of their population wishing back the 'good old empire days' despite the massive injustices committed back then, while in countries like germany, the netherlands, or sweden hardly anyone thinks about history that way...
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Dec 19 2018 03:18pm
Quote (fender @ Dec 19 2018 03:11pm)
i think it's rather fascinating how different countries deal with their past, their historic mistakes and cruelties, how history is taught, and which sentiments are fostered.
countries like russia, turkey, parts of the uk all have significant portions of their population wishing back the 'good old empire days' despite the massive injustices committed back then, while in countries like germany, the netherlands, or sweden hardly anyone thinks about history that way...


the countries you listed were beaten in war domestically. as compared to the UK which has really just lost territories and Russia which has had to give territory back but still holds the largest landmass in the world.

germany was routed, and has been forced into shame be the collective world in history classes. Russia was simply a lesson on getting too big, and the UK is used as a lesson about trying to control too much and the sharing of cultures (tea, opium, that silly cross flag design, etc).

it is an interesting topic but i find the reasons pretty straightforward.
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