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Quote (Santara @ Mar 28 2020 09:19am)
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/coronavirus-39-million-n95-medical-masks-stockpile-us-hospitals-union-2020-3-1029037438

Private stockpile of PPE being sold by SEIU to hospitals. Getting supply when it's so desperately needed. No mention in the article how the $5 per mask is about 4 times the retail price of a 20-pack of these masks and the union that is so proud of "protecting workers" is price gouging the hospitals.


Quote (Surfpunk @ Mar 28 2020 10:09am)
Is turnabout fair play?

*Asks in $600 epipens*


I agree and fail to see the free market doing better.
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Quote (Surfpunk @ Mar 28 2020 09:09am)
Is turnabout fair play?

*Asks in $600 epipens*


Quote (Skinned @ Mar 28 2020 09:46am)
I agree and fail to see the free market doing better.


Oh, I'm definitely not complaining about the price, I'm happy someone is selling existing stock while the production is ramped up. But considering the source of the price gouging, I relish in their hypocrisy. This IS the free market in action.

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Quote (EndlessSky @ Mar 28 2020 10:36am)
Trump was literally the first in the world to close borders. You have a delusional sense of what was possible in the circumstances.


Where are the sources I asked for?

Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 28 2020 10:41am)
CNN headline

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/2020-democratic-debate-live-updates/index.html

Never mind the fact that the WHO tests were for countries with underdeveloped testing capabilities. Instead Biden and trash-tier tabloid media spun this into us rejecting these tests when in reality most developed countries chose to develop their own instead of depleting a limited supply mostly designated for poor countries.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/15/politics/democratic-debate-fact-check/index.html

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CORRECTION: The Facts First finding on Biden's claim about the US and WHO testing kits was corrected after additional reporting that showed the WHO did not offer coronavirus tests to the CDC.


So we have a debate night fact check that turned out to be partly inaccurate. Is that it? Would you like to compare that to the vast amount of misinformation and minimizing that's come from Trump and his propagandists in the media?

There's this asymmetry with media criticism that's hilarious. Outlets and pundits who have millions of viewers and listeners show up every day and misinform. They either flatly lie, or minimize. And it's to an older audience, where misinformation in this situation might literally cause death. But we're supposed to get worked up because a CNN fact check that nobody even read was partly wrong and later corrected. Cultists have MDS, media derangement syndrome.

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Quote (IceMage @ Mar 28 2020 10:57am)
Where are the sources I asked for?


https://lmgtfy.com/?q=trump+coronavirus+border+closed
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Quote (IceMage @ Mar 28 2020 10:57am)
Where are the sources I asked for?



https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/15/politics/democratic-debate-fact-check/index.html



So we have a debate night fact check that turned out to be partly inaccurate. Is that it? Would you like to compare that to the vast amount of misinformation and minimizing that's come from Trump and his propagandists in the media?

There's this asymmetry with media criticism that's hilarious. Outlets and pundits who have millions of viewers and listeners show up every day and misinform. They either flatly lie, or minimize. And it's to an older audience, where misinformation in this situation might literally cause death. But we're supposed to get worked up because a CNN fact check that nobody even read was partly wrong and later corrected.


Cool deflection.

A reputable media source would make sure what they are publishing is 100% correct before releasing it to millions of eye balls. If you can't verify right away don't publish it until you can verify it, that's responsible journalism, which for many years was the standard. You don't make a claim just because it fits the propaganda narrative for the masses to read and listen to and after the story dies out you revise it on some hidden tab to cover your ass.

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Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 28 2020 11:05am)
Cool deflection.

A reputable media source would make sure what they are publishing is 100% correct before releasing it to millions of eye balls. If you can't verify right away don't publish it until you can verify it, that's responsible journalism, which for many years was the standard. You don't make a claim just because it fits the propaganda narrative for the masses to read and listen to and after the story dies out you revise it on some hidden tab to cover your ass.


It's not a deflection... that's where the discussion started.

Why is CNN held to a widely different standard than Fox News evening shows, talk radio figures, or the president? It makes no sense. It's all information that informs or misinforms the general public. When Trump says something, or Rush Limbaugh says something, tens of millions of people believe it to be true. So the impact of a lie is monumentally more significant than a CNN fact check. Why is misinformation only worth criticizing when we attach the label "journalist" to the person that put it out into the world?

The obsession with nitpicking every fact-based media story for inaccuracy, while completely ignoring misinformation that is far more distributed and consequential, is ridiculous. It makes literally no sense.
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Quote (IceMage @ Mar 28 2020 11:21am)
It's not a deflection... that's where the discussion started.

Why is CNN held to a widely different standard than Fox News evening shows, talk radio figures, or the president? It makes no sense. It's all information that informs or misinforms the general public. When Trump says something, or Rush Limbaugh says something, tens of millions of people believe it to be true. So the impact of a lie is monumentally more significant than a CNN fact check. Why is misinformation only worth criticizing when we attach the label "journalist" to the person that put it out into the world?

The obsession with nitpicking every fact-based media story for inaccuracy, while completely ignoring misinformation that is far more distributed and consequential, is ridiculous. It makes literally no sense.


I have much higher standards for disseminators of information rather than politicians. It's like you were born yesterday and only just realized that politicians lie.

I don't watch Fox, nor do i ever defend Fox, i'll defend Trump when the criticism is so blatantly built on a lie. You vehemently defend CNN and every time someone points it out you go in full deflect mode. There is a very clear and verifiable pattern to their reporting. This is similar to the Covington student story, where they deliberately edited a video to portray Trump supporters in a negative light and got their asses sued off. Both stories spun fore the reader to deduce Trump bad. Both stories false. Revisions should be used for very small errors not to push a narrative maligning someone on half truths only to revise it on the proverbial page 13 of the newspaper 5 days later.

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I have much higher standards for disseminators of information rather than politicians. It's like you were born yesterday and only just realized that politicians lie.

I don't watch Fox, nor do i ever defend Fox, i'll defend Trump when the criticism is so blatantly built on a lie. You vehemently defend CNN and every time someone points it out you go in full deflect mode. There is a very clear and verifiable pattern to their reporting. This is similar to the Covington student story, where they deliberately edited a video to portray Trump supporters in a negative light and got their asses sued off. Both stories spun fore the reader to deduce Trump bad. Both stories false. Revisions should be used for very small errors not to push a narrative maligning someone on half truths only to revise it on the proverbial page 13 of the newspaper 5 days later.


Politicians disseminate information.

We assign a "journalist" label to someone, and demand that the information they put out is accurate. We assign "politician", "pundit", or "opinion host" label to someone, and suddenly the responsibility to provide accurate information evaporates? Why? You'd have to make an argument for why there should be such an entirely different standard for one label and not the others. They're all just human beings who inform or misinform.
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Quote (IceMage @ Mar 28 2020 11:49am)
Politicians disseminate information.

We assign a "journalist" label to someone, and demand that the information they put out is accurate. We assign "politician", "pundit", or "opinion host" label to someone, and suddenly the responsibility to provide accurate information evaporates? Why? You'd have to make an argument for why there should be such an entirely different standard for one label and not the others. They're all just human beings who inform or misinform.


yeah dindu

Terrible standard to have for information disseminators. This isn't your random yahoo on Facebook spouting whatever, they have ethical journalistic obligations. It's literally part of their job. If you haven't verified it then don't print it, it's super simple. Too bad this ethical obligation has been tossed out the window just to push a narrative.

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Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 28 2020 08:05am)
Cool deflection.

A reputable media source would make sure what they are publishing is 100% correct before releasing it to millions of eye balls. If you can't verify right away don't publish it until you can verify it, that's responsible journalism, which for many years was the standard. You don't make a claim just because it fits the propaganda narrative for the masses to read and listen to and after the story dies out you revise it on some hidden tab to cover your ass.


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