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Mar 20 2024 11:12am
Quote (Bruv @ Mar 19 2024 10:42am)
Couple things to set out for non freedom speakers

1. Medicare for seniors is not free. A portion of their social security is deducted to cover a subsidiary insurance plan via United Healthcare.

2. Certain individuals making under an amount of income by law can have their medical debts forgiven (Our Healthcare tax pays this). Fucks your credit score in some cases though.

3. People under personal bankruptcy have their medical bills paid by for the state (again covered by taxes)

4. "Obamacare" is a government discount option for special marketplace insurance plans. You do not qualify if you make over a certain amount

5. A deductible is an amount you pay in the event of a medical emergency that will cover you for all stays and procedures until discharge. You will still be covered for outpatient care related to the incident.

6. Max out of pocket is an amount you pay out of pocket for a year before insurance will cover the basic doctors visits and medications at 100%

Insurance basics in the USA:

A. PPO insurance plan
You can go get care wherever you want without referrals. However on cheaper plans this affects how much your insurance will pay in increments of 20% depending on how many checks you clear. More expensive plans guarantee coverage for 60 to 80 percent depending on the plan. Once you hit your max out of pocket then simple things like doctors visits and medications are covered 100%

B. EPO Insurance plan
Offers similar benefits to PPO except you now require doctors referrals. Your choice of doctors is limited.

C. HMO Insurance plan
You must stay in network as directed by your insurance plan. You will require a referral for all tests and specialists visits. Your insurance carrier will assign you a primary care physician.


Lot of tldr
I personally don't like our current health system. But health care for all is very taxing. And the other bad part of going health care for all is every single entity in the industry has to downsize. We could be looking at 100s of thousands of jobs lost in the 1st year as everyone's heads spin to restructure. Yeah it might be cheaper overall for everyone but cheaper just means someone else is losing profit.

The right wants to dismantle any benefits we get
The left doesn't actually have a concrete plan to go forward

I personally think insurance is a scam. Like last year I didn't carry insurance. I only saw my primary doctor once for pneumonia. 160$ for the doctor. 12$ for the 2 weeks of steroids. 30$ for an inhaler with 200 doses.

Funny thing is I picked up a secondary insurance plan this year. They're supposed to pay primary doctors 80$ per visit. I get a bill saying insurance was billed 300$ and I owe 140$
What's the fuckin point of insurance then? It's cheaper for me to cut them out. Just seems like the whole industry is book cooking and it's normalized.

Oh and your insurance can deny you coverage at any time if all the Ts aren't crossed and I's not dotted. Stupid.


healthcare is a scam, name one thing they do that resolves anything. 250,000 drugs not 1 cure. irradiated salt ivs, pain killers, hidden mixing and matching, taking your blood to give you more drugs that dont cure anything, damning up your blood circulation w/ pumps...ya no. its a sustainable scam, always has been.

its designed to k1ll people under the guise of health. its hell. plain and simple.

human body isnt synthetic, they cannot help you w/ synthetic garbage hidden in code@ high prices.

This post was edited by lodd222 on Mar 20 2024 11:13am
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Mar 20 2024 11:31am
Quote (sirthom @ Mar 19 2024 06:31pm)
Healthcare used to be fine in this country, but has been corrupted by people who hate us.
Get rid of them and all this goes away.


By "used to be fine" you actually mean 50 million people had no health insurance.
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Mar 20 2024 11:33am
Quote (lodd222 @ Mar 20 2024 11:12am)
healthcare is a scam, name one thing they do that resolves anything. 250,000 drugs not 1 cure. irradiated salt ivs, pain killers, hidden mixing and matching, taking your blood to give you more drugs that dont cure anything, damning up your blood circulation w/ pumps...ya no. its a sustainable scam, always has been.

its designed to k1ll people under the guise of health. its hell. plain and simple.

human body isnt synthetic, they cannot help you w/ synthetic garbage hidden in code@ high prices.


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Mar 20 2024 01:42pm
Healthcare in the United States is absolute garbage. They overcharge you for every little thing, have crazy deductibles that reset ON THE FIRST OF EVERY YEAR. It's not even a rotating 12 months. that way they can squeeze even more money out of you. But to top it all off, most doctors here don't even know what they're doing and just guess half the time so you have to make numerous visits for every issue which just compounds the bills.
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Mar 20 2024 06:33pm
doctors don't benefit as much as you think from exhausting medical care costs

insurance companies and corporate healthcare reign supreme

there isn't a demographic that wants single payer healthcare more than young physicians, in a recent medscape poll I think they broke down physician support for single payer insurance and the tldr:

since 2002 to 2022 physician support for single payer healthcare has gone from 35% to 70%

older gen physicians defined >55 or 20 years after residency graduation, the percent dropped to close to 50%

but younger physicians defined as first 10 years out of residency support for single payer health insurance was around 95%

I spend over 10 hours a week on prior authorizations, arguing with some idiot with a degree who hasn't practiced medicine in a decade. most of the time I'm arguing my case to someone who has no experience in internal medicine (my field) or sometimes not even a physician. it is an absolute disaster and waste of time. that's 10 hours a week I can spend time with actual patients, have conversations, not stay at work hours after my last patient, etc



I would encourage all to watch, fairly short.

This post was edited by Bazi on Mar 20 2024 06:37pm
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Mar 20 2024 07:12pm
Your downside to healthcare is that people can't profit off people lives?
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Mar 20 2024 07:44pm
I think the downside is that A LOT of people are going to lose their jobs with an industry overhaul. We're talking a multi trillion dollar industry getting flipped upside down. It's gonna hurt. But that's the dirty part not a lot of people want to talk about.

Would be nice if the current available service was actually Healthcare instead of Wealthcare though

A lot of US GDP comes from insanely overvalued products and services. Look at companies like Apple and Nvidia for instance. They make 70% gross profit easy on that junk. Healthcare last I checked was around like 17% of US GDP
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Mar 20 2024 09:01pm
The hospital charges me $5000 with a $100 deductible. My insurance only pays the hospital $700 and I don't pay anything else. I don't see the issue with the current system.

Sounds like you got the shittiest high-deductible plan possible.

Quote (Landmine @ Mar 20 2024 01:11pm)
Insurance should be free in the sense that between the state and federal it’s over 6 trillion( per year) of our tax dollars is used to prop up the health administration. It’s a joke that we even have to pay into an insurance since our taxes is what fund the healthcare industry.


If everyone had that type of state insurance, it would drive up the costs because the supply isn't changing under an increased demand. Either that, or you would have to wait 4 months to see a doctor like in Canada or the UK.
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Mar 21 2024 03:04am
Not everyone only visits the doctor for pneumonia.

Hope this helps.....ffs.
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Mar 21 2024 03:54am
Quote (Bruv @ Mar 21 2024 02:44am)
I think the downside is that A LOT of people are going to lose their jobs with an industry overhaul. We're talking a multi trillion dollar industry getting flipped upside down. It's gonna hurt. But that's the dirty part not a lot of people want to talk about.



A bunch of parasites having to find another corpse to prey upon? Fine by me :)

Also: a few CEOs not able to afford their next yacht? Damn, not sure if the society can bear this incredible sacrifice. :)
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