Quote (CoheedAndCambria @ Apr 27 2018 07:59pm)

Both Koreas went into this meeting with nuclear proliferation as an understanding. It's extremely difficult to say how strictly it will be enforced, but it seems to be a stipulation to their agreement to end the war within 1 year.

I'm somewhat optimistic, but my real concern lies in dealing with the human rights abuses now. The theatrics overshadow the plight of the average North Korean.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 28 2018 12:15pm)

Progress is gradual, i rather cooperation happen on some level with the hope down the line that more can be accomplished instead of being critical of them at this point for human rights when we are so close. Giving ultimatums on human rights or whatever will have a negative impact at this point, first things first.

Also i think if this holds and something real comes of this, Trump should win a Nobel Peace prize. It was his hard line, antagonistic stance towards N.K. that was the driving catalyst to drive them to some sort of negotiations, even the never drumpf crowd should agree with this.

Quote (CoheedAndCambria @ Apr 27 2018 07:44pm)

Trump should not get credit for rage tweeting and escalating tensions and fearmongering. The Kim regime has long endured hardline governments in both U.S. and South Korea. Nothing came of it.

Real thawing happened on the eve of the South Korean elections after South Korea's hardline, conservative president was impeached. KJU wrote a letter expressing hopes to work and negotiate reunification with the Democratic Party of Korea (i.e. now president Mun Jae-in). The South Korean president has been working a diplomatic approach ever since, while fluffing Trump's ego to get him to the negotiating table.

It was quite surreal watching it all play out from Seoul.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 27 2018 11:12pm)

Give an example of something of this magnitude playing out?

Escalation & threats are a powerful motivator. The stick and carrot approach worked quite well in my opinion, you can pretend that the threat to the North Korean regime played no role in this outcome but that would be quite the naive perspective.

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The declaration earned guarded but optimistic praise from world leaders, including Trump, who said that only time would tell, but that he did not think Kim was “playing.”
“It’s never gone this far. This enthusiasm for them wanting to make a deal ... We are going to hopefully make a deal.”
Still, Trump told reporters, he would maintain pressure on North Korea and “not repeat the mistakes of past administrations.”
A senior U.S. official said they are considering Singapore as a possible venue for the Trump-Kim summit.

Speaking on Saturday at a televised news conference in Sydney, Australian prime minister Malcolm Turnbull praised Trump’s negotiations on North Korea and said he helped bring the two Korean leaders together.
“I have given him that credit because Donald Trump has taken a very, very strong, hard line on the denuclearization issue and he has been able to bring in the support of the global community and, in particular, China,” Turnbull said.
“North Korea’s economic relationship is overwhelmingly with China. And so China’s preparedness to impose those sanctions has been the critical change that has put the economic pressure on North Korea.”

Turnbull said the pressure from China and the U.S. had brought Kim to the point of denuclearizing the Korean peninsula.
“What we’ve now got to do is not relent on the economic pressure until that goal is achieved,” he said.
Australia will send a military aircraft to monitor North Korean vessels suspected of transferring illicit goods in defiance of U.N. sanctions, he said.

Quote (CoheedAndCambria @ 28 Apr 2018 00:59)

Both Koreas went into this meeting with nuclear proliferation as an understanding. It's extremely difficult to say how strictly it will be enforced, but it seems to be a stipulation to their agreement to end the war within 1 year.

I'm somewhat optimistic, but my real concern lies in dealing with the human rights abuses now. The theatrics overshadow the plight of the average North Korean.

Quote (Happypuppy @ 28 Apr 2018 13:11)

north korea has become unbearably boil

Quote (tonerbond @ Apr 28 2018 11:24am)

>trump didn’t fix this