well since I am a dude and not a democrat i will not be needing an abortion ...........ever

So all the GOP posturing about just wanting to remove the fed protection on abortion has changed as Lindsey Gotham and others now pushing for Fed Ban of all abortions after 15 weeks
I’m here to see if all the PaRD posters that stood and defended the “just leaving it to the states” will now say the same thing?
Or does this group change their mind as fast as SCOTUS nominees and R lawmakers?

I would love to see a federal ban on abortion period. I wouldn’t agree with it just because it is such a controversial topic, and on that basis would like to leave it at state level.

If we are all defining life as I do, there is a strong argument the constitution does not allow abortion at any stage.

Like I said though being such a controversial thing, if states want to enshrine some types of murder, whatever. They can do horrible things while here in Texas we live at a higher level.

Ahhh Texas. Save the fetuses so they can go to school and die. Such a higher level.

Please site your original source that proves the majority of Texans want to shoot kids in school.
Being pro-gun does not mean you want to shot kids.

bu bu bu buttt it was a leftie "gun free" zone.............so leftie frauds getem anyway wats u biching bout?

This post was edited by TiStuff on Sep 14 2022 06:08am

15 weeks would be plenty of time to get an abortion under normal circumstances. The bill also contains exceptions for rape, incest or the life of the mother. This bill would de facto legalize abortions for at least 98% or so of the women who want or need one. By the way, in many European countries, abortions are also technically illegal after around 12-16 weeks.

You are of course right that Republicans are pivoting on the issue after they have seen how unpopular their hardline (almost)-no-exception bans were even in deep red states, how much the issue energized the Democratic base and how much it damaged their midterms outlook. So while you are correct to point out their hypocrisy of first demanding state rights and then going for a federal law, you are misinterpreting the direction in which the Graham bill would pivot. Graham is trying to take the issue off the table with a fairly moderate piece of legislation that seeks to rein in the hardliners in his own party, not the other way round.

It is, of course, dubious if the political calculus will add up. Graham is implicitly banking on pro-life hardliners among the GOP base to be complete morons who don't realize that this bill would legalize, rather than outlaw, most abortions - and he leaves a wide open target for Democratic attacks about "Republicans passing (or trying to pass) a federal abortion ban".

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 14 2022 04:46pm

Me personally I don’t have much issue with the 15 week break line. I’ve said previously I’m not so comfortable with a no term limit abortion time line. I am a little frustrated that politically the conversation was about “it’s right of the SCOTUS to just put it back with the states”. But now it’s trying to be a federal mandate. More dishonest BS from politicians. The R don’t own it all for sure. It’s just such a waste of time to even debate stances. The people who I/you choose to agree disagree with are like honest 5% of the time. Pathetic

This post was edited by theCrossbones on Sep 14 2022 05:47pm

The bill would NOT legalize abortions because it still allows states to have restrictions BEFORE the 15 week mark. The 15 week mark is a national CEILING, with no FLOOR. Having said that, I applaud Graham for taking this stance because a federal ban is absolutely necessary. Ideally, we can chip away at it every time we pass a budget (i.e. require an arrest for a "rape," DNA tests for "incest," a 60 person panel to determine if the life of the mother is ACTUALLY at risk, etc.)

I find it hilarious that you will flat out misrepresent things without looking into them further when it's on the Republican side and knit pick it to death on the Democrat side.. This Bill does nothing to make abortion legal before 15 weeks and only makes it illegal after 15 weeks. States can still make it illegal at 1 week if they wanted.

Why is it that you give republicans the benefit of the doubt without doing 1 second of research?

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Sep 14 2022 06:01pm