https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1176882766597767168

"The Ukrainians weren't made aware that the assistance was being delayed/reviewed until more than one month after the call."

you could drive a flaming dump truck through this story's plot holes

As a neutral bystander, I can't help being confused. There have been so many things that he (and other politicians left and right) should have been locked up for, and all of it was always left 100% without consequence. Now Trump endangers a Democrat's chances at being elected, and suddenly this is enough for impeachment.

Both Trump and the entire Democratic party are a big joke. It would be funny if it weren't for the fact that the USA is supposed to be a democratic country where laws, the constitution and people's votes matter

Where I live nobody cares anymore. We've been hearing this "impeach Trump" rhetoric for almost 3 years now and it's become a drag. This stuff used to make headlines but now almost disappeared from people's radar

TRUMP 2020...














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This post was edited by Ghot on Sep 26 2019 01:32am

https://twitter.com/AndrewHClark/status/1176925242436050944

CNN, Fox (shep smith), MSNBC and CNN again
All editing the transcript to jump from "favor" to "joe biden's son", deceptively editing it to remove the 540 words and several minutes of conversation between and especially removing the context of Trump specifically saying he's talking about Crowdstrike for his 'favor'.

Careful what you wish for.

You keep up that treasonous talk and fender will add you to the "incapable of admitting Trump EVER does anything wrong" list. if that happens you can expect 6 direct strawman posts per week, and another 10 posts that clearly reference you but when you ask why you're being strawmanned you'll get told it's only you ego that connected his post to yours, even if it has direct line by line paraphrasing.

after thinking on this for a few days now i tend to agree investigation of some sort is warranted. not solely due to the breach of international decorum, but also because this situation ties directly to one of the more contentious geopolitical hotspots and a site of modern proxy war shenanigans. even if no legal wrongdoing is found the light shed on how much we're providing them in military aid and a spotlight on the shitty pseudo war in Ukraine will be a positive outcome.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-trump-ukraine-transcript-contains-evidence-of-a-quid-pro-quo/

Trump immediately responds to the Ukranian president bringing up javelin missiles with an ask for a favor. The favor is to look into some weird conspiracy theory regarding Crowdstrike and the DNC server... so apparently Trump still doesn't even believe the Russians hacked the DNC. He goes on to say "the other thing", and goes on to talk about Biden and his son.

This also has to be seen in the context of what else was happening, which the newly released whistleblower report(and other reports) sheds light on. This isn't one single call, it's a concerted effort by Trump, his personal attorney, and possibly others to pressure the Ukranians to investigate the Bidens, among other things.

This post was edited by IceMage on Sep 26 2019 07:11am

one aspect i havent seen expounded on is Rudy. for anti-trump people this label of "personal attorney" has been cemented on him for this context.

if i remember correctly Rudy and Trump first got tied during the 2016 campaign, Rudy isn't like Cohen with 20 years of "personal lawyering" for Trump(could be wrong, both NYC guys). Rudy is Trump's "political fixer", Cohen was Trump's "personal fixer". most of Rudy's duties these days seem to be political talkshow appearances and behind the scenes international lobbying. which since Rudy is a white house adviser seems grey in ethical area, not white or black, but not light or dark grey inherently either.

the simple question is what authority legally and ethically does a non-eletcted (and unconfirmed by congress to boot) adviser have. Rudy isn't a cemented part of the administration, but he's clearly in the administration. I don't think there's any precedent on this, perhaps there should be. but let's say a requirement is put in place to have all envoys be state dept employees, Rudy would just get a "job" in the dept.

i'm honestly curious if his "personal lawyer" status is even correct, and if not if it actually matters, or is just a buzzphrase.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Sep 26 2019 07:16am

Uhh... it's not just a label anti-Trump people use. He's Trump's personal attorney, as opposed to a White House lawyer. Now that Mueller is done, Rudy seems to just operate as an informal adviser and a informal spokesman, but keeps the lawyer label to hide behind attorney-client privilege.