Y for this time is required, it's decades, one or two generations. Observing Poland socio-economic evolution since last 20 years.
People usually think in short term or have demands on short term while mechanics are simply not working like this for hundreds of millions.

Ad 1) facts are that Russians are under heavy propaganda. They arent bad people by birth, their TV makes them bad people.
Just as nazist propaganda made normal German people bad.
Its exactly the same now.
And I believe that russian people can make better, just as Germans did after the ww2.
But for a while, the average Russian guy is a bad guy.
Of course not all, as most intelligent people resist propaganda, some are lucky to use internet rather than regime TV.

Ad 2) what if Russian position would be to fuck your ass with 20cm dildo? Would you consider that position and discuss it? Try to negotiate 20cm dildo into 18cm one perhaps?
Sometimes, if the proposition is really bad, you cant really consider it.
Because the Russians keep asking more and more. If you give them half of what they ask (lets say they ask for 2 UA regions, you give them one), they will be fine with that, but two months later they will ask for 4 regions. You will give them 2, right? Next time they ask for another 4, you give them again 2.
In total you give them 5regions, while they originally asked for 2. This is the way Russians negotiate. They arent dumb people.
They keep on moving the border piece by piece.

Ad 3) Russia doesnt really want a truce. They can move out of Ukraine anytime, nobody stops them. He can probably negotiate keeping Crimea and other areas he stolen back in 2014.
Remember president Macron? He is calling both Putin and Zelenski, trying to negotiate peace. And he is not the only one.
Turkish president also negotiates with both sides.
Putin has a way out, he can say on his TV that the Ukrainian nazists were punished and troops can go home.
Russian people dont really want this war and would gladly accept peace.

Ad 4) this war is because Russia wants to rebuild ussr, get back areas Russia had like 200 years ago. Read the latest Putin speech, when he annexed parts of Ukraine.

Ad 5) its really Black and White situation. Putin is lying all the time. He wants to enslave people in Europe to rebuild his empire.
Starting from eastern Europe, but who knows where he stops.
He says that western Europe is bad, so its logical to attack them also, after dealing with eastern countries.
Its like he is playing civilization game in the real world...
I like the game, and I also like need for speed games, but I cant imagine risking people live IRL.

you do realise thats utterly racist right?

What part, sentence of this post is racist in your opinion?
I dont see anything racist here.

By beggars you mean actual beggars who stand on the street asking for money?
Well, temperatures in the winter are warmer in western Europe, as you guys are closer to ocean, so that its more convenient to stand or sit longer on the street.
Also because when we see a man who wants free money on the street, we tell him to go to work, instead of giving him free money. So maybe you western guys are simply better donators to these beggars. IDK. If a beggar gets lets say 40eur per hour on begging, he wont go work. Its his "work", he has flexible hours, no Boss yelling at him, no taxes and he is fine.
I dont know how could a government satisfy this kind of person.
Havent seen a beggar over here in my city. All the people I know are honest workers.
If beggars are a problem in your country, just ban beggars.

Ukraine war: Tortured for refusing to teach in Russian


In the village of Ivanivka, head teacher Lidiya Tina - a professional educator with more than 40 years' experience - says she was detained for 19 days after refusing to set up a Russian school.

"As I was trying to flee Kharkiv, I was detained. A car pulled up and three masked men with assault rifles got out. They put a gun to my throat and ripped up my teaching diploma in front of my face," says Lidiya, 60.

She says a bag was put over her head and then she was placed in solitary confinement for five days. "My soul ached," says Lidiya. "I thought: 'No-one knows where I am.'"

She says she was beaten and forced to kneel, and made to believe she would be executed. "They tried to force me to learn the lyrics of the Russian anthem, but I refused."

Source and read more:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63037713

I've finally got some time. Let's dissect what I by a "beggar nation" meant. Have a look how much every country benefits from EU etat:

Nothing has changed up until today with the difference that Germany, France and Italy pay the part UK doesn't anymore. After 20 years of being in EU, getting funding, money and everything to allow business on your ground your country asks for the most amount of EU funds every year. What is your gouverment's solution?

Source:
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-09-14/why-poland-s-demanding-1-3-trillion-euros-in-war-reparations-from-germany

That's not a joke party like AFD in Germany. The actual ruling party in Poland asks for that. More than 50% of Poles elected that gouvernment. It's YOUR gouvernment. You're officially, a nation of beggars then in my eyes. The best solution to generate more money isn't attracting business or help statups thrive but this. Back to PiS, members of that party are Apparatchiks who were forced to suck Russian d*** for a long time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apparatchik
They know how to "fake" a democracy, be corrupt, steal EU money then act as if everything would be alright. They're no better than Putin people suppressing people in Russia. You, your people let them make Poland authoritarian by bypassing judicative. The ruling party can pass any law without being afraid for being called unconstitutional. You said German judges are influenced the same which isn't true. We have a got a separate branch called "Bundesverfassungsgericht". Those judge's sole purpose is to see whether a verdict or a law is conforme with the constitution. An organ called "Verfassungsschutz" is there soleily to monitor whether Bundesverfassungsgericht is influenced in any way. To give you an example, protesters in the other thread in US who tried to make judge lives' hard by disturbing them during daily life would've been arrested without question for obstruction of the judicative. Your country is most similar to an ex east block country from USSR times than any eastern European EU member. Did you like Russian cock sucking so much during occupation? If not, why do you insist electing people who helped them suppress your people?

We want our neighbours to be ruled by a democratic rule in a democratic republic because we know if shit goes down the drain we'd also be in trouble. We want you to become first class citizens that's why our, French and Italian companies heavily invest in Poland while your "friend" Great Britain doesn't do so and even made Brexit partially because Brits were fed up with Polish immigration (just type in google "Polish immigrant Brexit", you'd wonder). Your youth doesn't fight high percentage of unemployment like Spain during its crisis partially because they can work in Germany and elsewhere then come back.

All those rules are reasonable. Poland was a shithole run down by USSR 20 years ago. You came a long way. Where do you think did the money come from? Ask your grandpa/ grandma how they were living 20 years ago compared to today.

Nope, I have to convey you unpoplar truth. Estonia and Estland made gigantic progress even though they joined the union much later. Strangely enough, they don't have a democracy problem or excessive costs implementing EU rule. From the POV of market economy, you don't mention how much money the EU saves your government and us all in general by solving administration in common grounds. GB is slowly experiencing the costs of all of those institution paid by a single country. Their prices are going to skyrocket even more during the next few years.

Is this a joke? I'll give you an example. Let me amputate both of your legs then some years later, I'd say we're friends now, right?


The last bit about the lack of knowledge in Poland. The industrial heart of Europe is located between south Germany, western France, Northern Italy and Swiss. 99% products related to high level production and chemical industry are located there. Italy's problem is more its industry in Lombardy region than some immigration problem in south were the productivity is near zero. South Italy is to Northern Italians the same as Poland to EU with the difference Poland has got an actual potential to become a net contributer sometimes in the future. Lots of German companies create supplier companies in Poland for gear parts and more. The highest paying EU members who keep the union afloat are:
Germany
France
Italy
In that order. The others are far behind in contribution. Sweden populace pays the highest EU membership fees per capita. Those regions I mentioned stopped production as of now because their products aren't competitive price wise. Energy costs are driving production costs too high to be rentable. If those regions continue to be closed due to lack of gas and high electricity costs, then all of the EU is going to be in a recession. Poland which doesn't contribute anyways would be screwed even more. See where I come from? It's not Germany's problem alone, all of the EU is going to go down the drain.

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No he doesn't

that.

Its not racist because:
1) its truth. Majority of Russians are fine with their country attacking other countries like Ukraine. They kind of dont like the mobilization thing, because they would rather stay at home than risk their own life.
2) its about behaviour and actions, something people can change. If you steal things, and I call you "thief" its not racism, because it was your decision to steal things. It doesnt have anything to do with your skin color, its because of your actions, who were wrong.

I specifically said in my posts, that I blame russian TV, which, as we all know, is run by politicians. So its mainly, if not only, the politicians responsible.

One could say that any discrimination against citizens of other countries is forbidden as all people are equal and deserve equal rights.
But one example. Does your country allow unlimited travel and immigration from various poor areas of the globe? Of course not. Which means that your country can be called racist too, because you limit other people rights based on their country of origin.
See where it goes?
Im all against racism, but lets not get crazy in total equality of rights for all people around the globe, the world aint perfect and we cant pretend it is.
If the Europe were 5billion people, and other continents just 1billion, we could maybe take them all in. But its otherwise proportion, and we cant really absorb 5billion people from different cultures as a 0,5billion continent. We need to tell them: "sorry, we cant absorb too many people from outside cultures, we cant give you visa".