tl;dr, but read it a few times anyway.On one hand we have the transcript, and on the other hand we have whistleblowers and House members, with ulterior motives (to take Trump down), and no real proof of any kind.
Since 2016 the Dems/left have pulled every dirty trick in the book, with quite a few of them being illegal and with enough proof surrounding them to bring multiple cases.
Steele dossier, FISA warrants, illegal searches, multiple cases of accusations w/o proof, that went to various hearings (russiagate, metoo, Kavanaugh, media's serious indiscretions, etc.). Yet STILL, there are those that believe that this is just normal politics. It's not.
Sure... when Obama was in office there WAS "politics" being played by the Reps. But these were benign to the point of laughable, compared to what we've seen since 2016.
Despite what SEEMS obvious on the surface, what's really being argued and decided here is whether or not this country still upholds the tenet of: Innocent until proven guilty. The really scary part is that this tenet, if taken down, will filter down to everyone of us. I don't think some Pardians are fully cognizant of the ramifications of the current battles being argued in courts and in Congress currently. The left is trying, and has been trying for three years to invalidate... innocent until proven guilty.
Russiagate: manufactured evidence resulting in warrants and searches. ALL illegal.
metoo cases: accusations w/o proof, and threat of suits and resultant incarceration. ALL illegal.
Kavanaugh: accusation w/o proof, Congressional hearing based on these accusations, and possible destruction of a judge and his family. Illegal.
Ukraine: accusations w/o acceptable proofs, and hearings which are past the line of what a dictatorship would use. Illegal.
I see folk on here, on one hand, complaining about cops stopping someone on the street and asking for ID, and claiming there's no probable cause. Entering someone's domicile w/o probable cause. Stopping vehicles w/o probable cause. Yet these same folk, see no problem with the four items I mentioned above, in which there is NO probable cause, other than: Orange man bad. Almost sounds like that racism that so many point out in police/civilian incidents.
It is NOT legal in this country to bring cases against someone, because you just "don't like them".
Everything that has happened since 2016 has been about probable cause and innocent until proven guilty. If the plaintiffs in these four things I mentioned above... win ANY of these cases... it will set precedent that probable cause in NOT necessary, and that the tenet "innocent until proven guilty" is NOT needed any more.
If this happens, the precedents this sets, will filter down to everyone of us. We will have consciously allowed a police state to come into existence, and we will have no one to blame but ourselves.
Probable cause, and innocent until proven guilty
This post was edited by Ghot on Nov 11 2019 05:13am