Bullshit. I'm not talking about Republicans becoming Democrats, I'm talking about some (not: all) Republican voters being willing to break with a Republican president who's unreliable, incompetent and underachieving in a one-off.
But this is obviously only an option if the Democratic candidates and platform are remotely acceptable to them, surely not when the Dems are unabashedly advocating for tax hikes, socialism, gun grabbing and open borders.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 1 2019 12:38pm

he's not even an america you filthy casual.

republicans willing to break from the worst president of all time ---> is what I am talking about

You are referring to some republican voters that are obviously not as hardstuck republican as you are.

Thats what I am talking about

The Pro Trump media loves to make it about Republicans VS Dems, and paint a picture as if Democrats are different than before. LOL. No. There are republicans that like the #metoo movement too, just as many republicans as Dems, there are republicans that support universal healthcare, something that currently exists in many Democractic and free market economies without issue.

A republican should be drawn away from Trump, not becuase of his political agenda, but because of the examples he shows as a human being. He is a terrible human being. Do you really think all whistleblowers should be stopped forever? Do you not understand that the man speaks not as a democratic leader but as a dictator? That is the problem with the current orange faggot. Nothing to do with policies, nothing to do with the fact that some Dems just simply dont like some Republicans or otherwise.

So you are saying if the Dems just stopped acting so Liberal and Democratic, then maybe some republicans would switch over to Dem votes. That doesn't make sense, or else the Republican wouldn't be a true republican, as the media loves to define them as (not myself)

The reality is that Republicans are switching, nothing to do with partisan policy, but because of the character and example that is being set for our children, he is a terriible leader, nothing to do with political affiliation. He should not be making decisions to pull us out of or go into wars, he is flat out too stupid to do so, as we constantly see him prove.

There is also the obvious and telling damning lies that he tells every damn day. It is so obvious he is trying to control me as a voter I am just sick of it. I know the truth, I dont need an oange faggot to contort it to his will for it to be presented to me. Some republicans seem to need that as if they are spastic little children that can't think for themselves.

We get it, you hate Trump. About the bolded part: no, the Democrats did not openly advocate for socialism, gun grabbing and open borders 4 years ago. They most definitely have become more leftist in recent years.

The discussion was about why Republican voters dont break with Trump despite all his glaring deficits. I gave a sober explanation. All you offered was repeating "orange faggot" a dozen times.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 1 2019 12:52pm

can you show me on the dollie where PRESIDENT trump hurt you? you can remove the doll's swimsuit if you need to.

It isn't actively advocating socialism. it isn't like The Dems want the entire political structure to change to be non partisan and run by a single dictatorship. That isnt waht democrats want, Not sure what Republican humping media you are watching for that.

You realize right now a private company can charge Americans over 50k i.e broken bones fixing with a cast - for somethign taht costs them about 5 dollars in material and 15 minutes of labour? This is a problem. It wouldnt make the country socialist just because of a universal healthcare system. Thinking that is so absurd.

Gun grabbing wtf... You do know that Columbine happened in 1999 right? Gun rights are constantly argued, this isnt a new thing.. At least stick to facts, oh wait, you have republican influence, of course you are learning to lie and ignore the fucking truth.




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You are saying republicans dont break from Trump because the Dems are 'too liberal'. Republicans are meant to be republicans in the first place because they don't like that type of leadership. So your point isn't valid as to why republicans havent switched because that would go against the very thing that makes them republican.

Democratic candidate for president and person who almost won a senate race in texas as a democrat last year: "hell yes, we're gonna take your guns away".

IroningTheMaiden: "gun grabbing wtf".... "at least stick to the facts, of course you're lying and ignore the fucking truth".

Yeah... right...

that is only true if they, just like you, go by the right wing propaganda spin of leftist policies. some examples:

- what you describe as 'tax hikes' is in reality the lefty democrat's way of financing measures that will result in a net INCREASE in disposable income by making healthcare and college affordable.

- what you simplisticly label 'socialism' (obviously in order to fearmonger with a term that americans have been brainwashed for decades to associate with starvation / failure / lack of choice...) are measures to protect and benefit the vast majority of trump's base, the working class. literally no one is advocating for a planned economy and pure socialism, but rather the kind of model that many of the western / central / northern european countries have implemented, resulting in some of the wealthiest, happiest, healthiest, and most secure and free societies.

- there is exactly ONE of the few dozen candidates whose rhetoric at least somewhat justifies the old 'gun grabbing' talking point - which republicans have accused literally every single democratic candidate they ran against of, regardless of their actual stance on the matter. do democrats want to research the issue of gun violence without the NRA undermining it, and do they want to implement measures in order to stop those senseless killings? of course, but so does an overwhelming majority of the population, and any honest and serious person, who was genuinely interested in finding a constitutional way to get there, would certainly not subscribe to your decades old 'gun grabbing' fear monger tactic.

- same with the 'open border' stuff. one person said it, so it's now officially the dems platform for propagandists like yourself. a pathway to citizenship and a reasonable border and immigration policy could actually decrease the pressure on america's southern border - especially if combined with a new approach towards domestic and foreign policies that fuel the conflicts in central america, which create those refugees in the first place. but hey, i guess that's just too nuanced for trump supporters, huh?

so sure, if you assume that every voter on the right uncritically accepts those worst possible, FOX news spins of democrats policy, then you're right - there is no amount of corruption / incompetence / cronyism / international embarrassment / deficit / lying / empty promises / disregard for the constitution, laws, and checks and balances... that could make such a cultist question their leader - but despite what pard might indicate, i doubt that's much more than perhaps 25% of voters...

this is only situationally true, and that's a big part of the issue.

im post college with a cadillac healthcare plan from the state. i can't think of a single likely outcome where i come out ahead.

they pander for debt elimination of college students but in reality it will be only for some, and those in the most need (aka ceramics majors working at starbucks) so i wont qualify for them. plus it's my guess that if a program ever does come about along those lines it will be bad for your credit to participate. having a stellar credit score means i wont participate even if it is "free money" most likely, unless it's a 100% payoff of the loans which i dont think is likely.

as to healthcare i spend literally zero on health deductibles and such all year, haven't been to a doctor in 15 years. i do use my 2k$ a year on dentistry tho, which would disappear under medicare for all or at least be chunked into 1/4 or worse.

the problem is that in america people arent really down for doing what's best for the next generation, even if they have kids. it's a hard sell.

Right in the cuck hole