Just look at Europe. You have single payer systems like the NHS in the UK, you have something very close to it in Scandinavia, you have market-based systems with better regulation in the Netherlands, Germany, Austria - and all those European healthcare systems are working better than the American system. Here in Europe, a lot of countries do have private, for profit insurance companies, and they still manage to pull it off.

Yeah I have a masters in public health policy I studied your system even had surgery there.

Our system is like the Swiss had before they mandated their health insurance become nonprofit. They achieved universal coverage and their cost in GDP went down a couple percent. They were second most expensive behind US and now back inline to mainland Europe.

Cam won't go for socialistic answers like you guys. You might be conservative by Germany standards but not here. Right wing Americans think your health care is tyrannical and would rather have shitty health they are under aware of than be a fucking socialist like you guys.

I loved the German hospital. Did me right. Ours would have saddled me down with a lifetime of debt if I had broken my neck and did rehab here.

This post was edited by Skinned on Nov 12 2019 05:30am

Yeah, I gave that study as a lower bound for a reason, because less politically biased groups give better numbers and even the conservative estimates say we will save money. Even if the most conservative groups are wrong theres 100 billion in savings every year that has to be overcome before it costs us more to get significantly better healthcare access. Even if it costs us more the increased access compared to our current garbage system would still be worth it because it would undoubtedly improve healthcare outcomes.

You broke your neck?


And yes, healthcare is one of the few fields where I believe that unregulated free markets just dont cut it. So on healthcare, I'm willing to go pretty far in the socialism direction.
Concerning the debate in the US, I just dont think that it is a good idea to try to do it all at once like Warren or Bernie. Changing a lot of things at once comes with a greatly increased risk of something going horribly wrong.


Why not opt for the pretty popular "medicare for everyone who wants it"-approach? If this government-run plan is more efficient than the private plans, then people will eventually gravitate towards this system. If government-run healthcare truly is superior to private insurance, than it will "crowd out" private insurers over time. So if the central argument of the proponents of government-run healthcare is indeed true, then medicare for everyone who wants it will eventually arrive at medicare4all too - but with less risk of failure and less political hurdles to overcome.

it's not a question of agreement, it's a matter of you either deliberately or ignorantly lying about policies. again, your alleged 'kicking ppl off the current healthcare plan' won't happen if medicare for all isn't introduced.

maybe check polling on ACTUAL 'lefty' policies like medicare for all, affordable college education, campaign finance reform, taxing the rich, pathway to citizenship, higher wages, and abortion rights - and compare them to the right wing and establishment positions you constantly advertise for, like a brainless little koch brothers pet...


but hey, who cares about the popularity of those positions when you can just misrepresent stances like sanders' and warren's support of a woman's right to self-determination as "running on a platform of third trimester abortions for transgender women", right? hacks gonna hack...

This post was edited by fender on Nov 12 2019 05:50am

*yawn*

btw, you still havent answered my other question:

learn to read, you living ghot meme:



This post was edited by fender on Nov 12 2019 06:04am

I like how 'taxing the rich' is an 'ACTUAL POLICY', but increasing taxes on the middle class is 'moronic misrepresentations by right wing hacks, and not actual policies'

Very dishonest and inconsistent.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Nov 12 2019 06:15am

so you admit that there are no electoral victories of note for Democratic candidates running to the left?


regarding these polls: the popularity of these measures depends a fuckton on the specifics. to name one example, medicare for all polls well if presented in general terms, however, if you tell people that it would mean losing their current plans, it polls significantly worse.



https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/medicare-for-all-isnt-that-popular-even-among-democrats/



"Let's run on the policy that has overwhelming support among our own base and gets 70% of independents and even 46% of Republicans"
"Nah, let's instead run on the policy that's deeply unpopular among both Republicans and independents, and that's even leaving one third of our own base unconvinced."

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 12 2019 06:24am

Are you going to answer the question addressing predatory behavior in health care insuring?

I didn't mention taxing the rich. Also, everyone pays taxes, even the poor. Only the rich get service in return lol. <--- joke don't use joke as excuse to dodge question about predatory behavior.

And to be clear I'm not sold on anybody's plan moving forward.

This post was edited by Skinned on Nov 12 2019 06:22am