He will probably be impeached. The House has scheduled a vote on impeachment for this week. Obviously, going straight from closed door hearings to voting for impeachment wont convince the public or Republican senators, so there's very little chance of him actually getting removed from office.

acting like ANYTHING would 'convince' republican senators to act on principle and facts, rather than party affiliation. cute...
the public already IS convinced btw, just another instance of poll denying on your part, pretending the public is actually behind trump, huh?

that said, of course he will not be removed as long as the senate is red, but it will be somewhat important to have their votes on the record, it will certainly help democrats to win it back...

imagine staying up all night on a weeknight to spam about America from a gutter in Dresden

the good people of Germany have to deal with lecherous liars like heinrich, seems rather unfair

That isn't being impeached.

Of course you assume that "facts" will support impeachment before the Democrats have even presented these facts or any other findings from their non-public hearings.





Removal from office requires a 2/3rds majority, while the public currently stands at 49% support and 43% dont support on the question of impeachment itself (not necessarily removal).
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/?ex_cid=rrpromo

So no, it's still a long way before one can say that there is sufficient public support for removal.



Rofl! So, we will have senators voting against removing the president of their own party from office. Do you seriously think voters who blame their senators for such a vote would be the difference makers? Do you seriously believe that voters with this attitude would be swing voters? Or that strongly Democratic-leaning voters who would otherwise have stayed at home will be driven to the polls not by any policy issues but by this impeachment vote?

"I hate Trump and love Democrats. Normally I dont vote, and all the fancy plans for medicare for all, decisive action on climate change, taxing the wealthy, comprehensive background checks, rifle bans, immigration reform and progressive judges - all those things wouldnt have gotten me to vote. But the fact that my GOP senator voted against removing Trump from office, yeah, THAT's the real difference maker, that's what will drive me to actually turn out to vote this time around!"



The bottom line is simple: as long as support for impeachment & removal does not exceed the baseline partisan split of the Trump era (40-42% with Trump, 50-54% against him), voting to acquit Trump will definitely not hurt a GOP senator's reelection prospects.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 28 2019 11:51pm

As soon as the House passes impeachment charges on a simple majority, a person is considered "impeached". Then, these charges are tried in the Senate, with the caveat that conviction requires a two-thirds supermajority. The person is removed from office only in case of a conviction in the Senate.

This is exactly what happened to Bill Clinton: he was impeached by the House for perjury, but acquitted in the Senate and therefore not removed from office. Instead, he was able to finish his term in spite of having been impeached.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 28 2019 11:56pm

yes. shouldn't really be a surprise considering tump and his cronies already admitted the impeachable crimes in public, and that they put out an official white house statement detailing them.



holy mother of hackery. you don't need a two thirds majority in a poll to make a statement about public opinion. if the percentage of people supporting his impeachment is higher than those that oppose it (which it currently is - and by quite a solid margin), it's ridiculous to act like the public was behind trump. conflating majorities needed in the senate with opinion polls, in order to do so, is so shitty that it's almost funny...



that's just outright hilarious. on the one hand you hacks always claim that being called 'racist' for supporting a racist is what makes people vote for trump, but when it fits your narrative you act that people decide strictly by policies. you can't have your cake and eat it. pick one.

that said, sheepish loyalty towards an openly corrupt criminal, who damaged the office like almost no modern president before him, will most certainly be a factor in contested states - and his unique unpopularity (sorry if this FACT triggers you) sure won't help. it doesn't require a mass migration to the other party and every single one of their policies, like you pretend, to flip a state - just enough somewhat decent / principled people that just won't cast their votes for a party in blatant disregard of the law and checks and balances.

time will tell, save this post if you're so sure.

This post was edited by fender on Oct 29 2019 12:42am

dude, all the pundits and commentators on this whole affair agree that the republican senators wont break with Trump until support for impeachment (and removal) reached significant levels among republican voters. since half the country is democratic, and almost all democrats now seem to be unified behind impeachment, this logically implies that the current 49 or whatever percent support for impeachment will not be enough for him to get removed, this number would have to go to 55% or higher before this becomes a possibility.


so if you want your statement that "the public IS already convinced of impeachment" to refer to a relatively small plurality, fine. doesnt change the fact that the public currently is NOT convinced of impeachment in the way or to the degree that would be necessary for this impeachment process to be successful in the end. you're celebrating a meaningless stat which makes you feel good ("a plurality wants to get rid of trump just like me, fuck yeah"), but miss what's really important.

once again: support for impeachment does still not exceed the number of people who disapproved of Trump throughout all of his presidency. previously, about one in five people who disapproved of Trump didnt support impeachment. now, the Democrats have managed to turn these people around and consolidate almost all trump critics behind impeachment. this isnt irrelevant, but it's the lowest hanging fruit there was, and it's not the epic shift of public opinion against Trump that you want to believe in.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 29 2019 03:21am

https://static.politico.com/69/13/cdffb8a4420a8a4d8a65439570f2/vindman-statement-final.pdf

NSC staffer corroborating some other testimony which asserts Sondland pressed the Ukrainians to open multiple investigations in order to get White House meeting. The staffer expressed concerns to the NSC lead counsel multiple times.

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1189167309455331328

Trump attacking members of his own government because his corruption concerned them. Btw, Vindman has been in the military for 20 years and was wounded by an IED in Iraq.

This post was edited by IceMage on Oct 29 2019 07:34am

Once again it's all about getting -at some point - a witness that will publicly swear that Prez Turd did something wrong (which is blatantly true here) in 1 simple sentence.
The impeachment procedure start in 2 days (it will be voted for sure), and so on the public hearings.

It cannot be compared with Mueller investigation.
/nb: Or yes, it's same goal but stronger and simpler. It may harm the republicans senators too.

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Oct 29 2019 08:32am