well, that's what i said: don't challenge the status quo, just send us another establishment democrat. worked wonders in 2016...

Well, if you think the chances at ousting Trump are higher if the Dems field a candidate who runs on a platform of kicking people off their current healthcare plan; confiscating guns; raising middle class taxes; decriminalizing illegal border crossings; selling out the country to China; abolishing "innocent until proven guilty" for men, whites and cops; and third trimester abortions for transgender women, then so be it. Good luck!

And once again, in case you missed it: the Democrats won the House and made huge inroads in the state legislatures in 2018 and 2019 based on the success of such moderates who ran on a platform of getting the basics done and improving the voters' lives in practical, tangible ways.



Note that Clinton's campaign in 2016 did not focus on this type of incremental improvement on kitchen table issues, it focused on painting Trump as unfit for office, and on pandering to the sjw crowd. Clinton lost because she was a historically unpopular candidate who ran a god awful campaign.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 12 2019 12:34am

good thing those are just moronic misrepresentations by right wing hacks, and not actual policies of leading democratic candidates. you sound like a ghot meme come to life...

Calling factual characterizations you don't like "moronic misrepresentations by right wing hacks" as usual.

You portray people opposed to getting kicked off their healthcare plans as a caricature in a cartoon right after claiming its "moronic misrepresentations by right wing hacks" and 'not actual policies"

So which is it?
Not a real policy? or you think people shouldn't be unhappy its a policy?

i really shouldn't be surprised anymore that you're simply not smart enough to figure that out by yourself...
let's try the crayon version:

it's a misrepresentation that democrats run on 'kicking people off their healthcare plan' - that's a right wing spin, generously sponsored and perpetuated by big pharma and the insurance industry.
meanwhile in reality, the goal is affordable healthcare (that will not only cost less than the current system overall, but will also prevent people from going bankrupt or even dying because they can't afford treatment) for everybody. you hacks focusing exclusively on ONE aspect of their policy, in order to fearmonger about it, is simply dishonest and misleading. most people are smarter than you, and able to figure that out.

same with the 'dems run on raising middle class taxes' - again you deliberately leave out the part where the explicit goal is MORE money in the pockets of middle class americans, by primarily taxing the rich, repealing the insane tax cuts for the millionaires and corporations (that predictably not lead to any 'trickle down' effects, and blew a massive hole in the budget - something our pretend 'fiscally conservative' crowd is strangely quiet about), establishing affordable healthcare and education.


and let's not even start with the even more egregious claims about 'confiscating guns, selling the country to china, abolishing the presumption of innocence, and third trimester abortions for transgender women' talking points. it's really interesting what you hacks unashamedly label 'factual'...

I pointed out a clear contradiction in your garbage responses and you manage to think im the one not smart enough. Thats rich.



Unflattering characterizations of fact are not 'moronic misrepresentations'.

There being a goal you like doesn't erase facts you don't like.

Hateful TDS loser is wrong again.

With the exception of the "selling out to China" item, all the things I listed have been espoused by the more leftist candidates of the Democratic primary - on live television during their primary debates.


The candidates who are more economically to the left in this field (Warren, Bernie) have said that they would abolish private health insurance, which of course does amount to kicking those people who currently have a private plan off of their plan. Bernie has openly admitted that his version of medicareforall would include raising taxes on the middle class. Warren refuses to acknowledge that she would also have to raise middle class taxes, but even other Democratic candidates (Biden, Buttigieg) say she's lying about that. Are Biden and Buttigieg also just spouting "right wing spin, sponsored and perpetuated by big pharma"?

The candidates who are more socially to the left in this field (Beto, Castro) have said that they support decriminalizing illegal border crossings, several of them (including Bernie) have called for abolishing ICE altogether. They have mused about gun grabbing (Beto: "hell yes, we're gonna take their guns") and free abortions for transgender women (Castro). Furthermore, they have talked about divise stuff like reparations (Warren, Bernie, Beto and Castro as well iirc), they have talked about enforcing race-mixing in schools via busing, whether the parents like it or not (Harris), they have taken an uncritical pro-#blacklivesmatter and pro-#metoo stance.



The only thing egregious is that you unironically claim that all those things he Democratic candidates for president have said on live television dont exist.


Beto on live TV in front an audience of millions: "hell yes, we're gonna take their guns".
Fender: "... egregious claims about 'confiscating guns'... interesting what you hacks unashamedly label as factual".

you not being able to distinguish between 'erasing facts' and 'looking at a policy as a whole, and not just single aspects in order to discredit it' doesn't mean it's not a blatant misrepresentation, or even a contradiction. thanks for proving my point about you not being smart enough to do that.

fox news propagandist exposed again.