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Oct 23 2019 01:46pm
Quote (thundercock @ 23 Oct 2019 21:40)
You know, George Bush had to deal with the same shit from the media for about 6 years so I don't really have any sympathy for Trump. If you act like a buffoon, you'll be covered like a buffoon. Also, Foxnews is bending over backwards for Trump which is why he is still swimming instead of outright drowning. Sure, SOME Democrats have been against Trump since day 1 but we also had Democrats like Feinstein who were willing to work with Trump. The slow uptick in support for getting rid of Trump on the left is due to Trump's own actions. Why should we have any sympathy for him?

As for Biden, working in the executive branch forces you to the center because that's the most effective way to govern. While Biden was a fairly liberal senator (I think he was historically in the 50th percentile for "liberalism"), he definitely shifted to the right as VP. Bernie, Beto, Castro, Harris have no path to victory so I'm not worried about them. Warren is quite liberal and we should be worried about her. However, I'd risk 4 years of Warren over 4 years of Trump I think. The foreign policy aspect is just too damn important to me.


I dont have any sympathy for Trump. He's an idiot who constantly gets himself in hot water. Your claim that "no one of importance is trying to invalidate the results of the 2016 election" is still wrong. The mainstream media has engaged in these efforts and they are clearly important, as are people like Pelosi and Schiff.

Your points about Biden make sense, particularly from someone who prefers traditional American foreign policy.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 23 2019 01:48pm
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Oct 23 2019 01:51pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 23 2019 12:46pm)
I dont have any sympathy for Trump. He's an idiot who constantly gets himself in hot water. Your claim that "no one of importance is trying to invalidate the results of the 2016 election" is still wrong. The mainstream media has engaged in these efforts and they are clearly important, as are people like Pelosi and Schiff.


Uh, Pelosi, the most important Democrat, was one of the LAST Democrats to support impeachment. I'll give you Schiff though. He's a partisan hack and I'm sure it's been exacerbated by working with Nunes (who is a fucking lunatic). Schiff likely wanted to get rid of Trump since before the election. However, that's not INVALIDATING the election either....
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Oct 23 2019 02:02pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 23 2019 02:46pm)
I dont have any sympathy for Trump. He's an idiot who constantly gets himself in hot water. Your claim that "no one of importance is trying to invalidate the results of the 2016 election" is still wrong. The mainstream media has engaged in these efforts and they are clearly important, as are people like Pelosi and Schiff.

Your points about Biden make sense, particularly from someone who prefers traditional American foreign policy.


the last thing the media wants is Trump out of office, let alone to lose in 2020.

those guys vote Trump then lie to the american people. no one has been better for business than Trump, ever. even Clinton's scandals got them pennies compared to the breadth of Trump's scandals.

they just happen to have a catch 22 in their hands. cover his scandals too much and he might get kicked out, but you'll make bank for every scandal he gets away with until that point. and even if he's gone they can still cover what he's saying out of office (see the articles on HRC's comments for example).
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Oct 23 2019 02:04pm
Quote (thundercock @ 23 Oct 2019 21:51)
Uh, Pelosi, the most important Democrat, was one of the LAST Democrats to support impeachment. I'll give you Schiff though. He's a partisan hack and I'm sure it's been exacerbated by working with Nunes (who is a fucking lunatic). Schiff likely wanted to get rid of Trump since before the election. However, that's not INVALIDATING the election either....


I wasnt just talking about the recent impeachment proceedings, I was also talking about the Mueller investigation and the way it was exploited and spurred by the Democrats in an effort to paint Trump as an illegitimate president who only got into office based on outside interference.
Like I said: the Democrats and their allies in the media did everything in their power to undermine and stymie Trump every step of the way, to prevent him from enacting his agenda as much as possible. Which honestly didnt require all that much effort, given the slim majorities he had in Congress during his first 2 years in office, and given his tendency to dig a new hole for himself every other week.

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Oct 23 2019 02:21pm
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I wasnt just talking about the recent impeachment proceedings, I was also talking about the Mueller investigation and the way it was exploited and spurred by the Democrats in an effort to paint Trump as an illegitimate president who only got into office based on outside interference.
Like I said: the Democrats and their allies in the media did everything in their power to undermine and stymie Trump every step of the way, to prevent him from enacting his agenda as much as possible. Which honestly didnt require all that much effort, given the slim majorities he had in Congress during his first 2 years in office, and given his tendency to dig a new hole for himself every other week.


Who thought he was an illegitimate president? He was elected by the electoral college and won fair and square. Was his campaign shady? Absolutely. Did it deserve to be investigated? Absolutely. Anyone who believed that Russia changed votes, or anything along those lines, is a fucking idiot and you should stop listening to them. I don't know of any credible person of influence who believed that horse shit.

As for the "collusion" aspect, the Mueller report speaks for itself I think. It was necessary and good for the country.
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Oct 23 2019 02:24pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 23 2019 03:24pm)
The Democrats and their allies in the media have been doing just that since before Trump was even inaugurated. They have tried to stymie his presidency since day one.




Agreed. Impeachment inherently is a political process, and it wont be successful unless there is a public consensus around impeachment.




And that's the big problem: the alternative to Trump in 2020 wont be a moderate Democrat.

Let's not forget that even Joe Biden, who is nowadays seen as THE moderate candidate in the Democratic primary, was considered not a moderate but a staunch liberal for most of his political career. It is only in contrast to the recent, massive leftward shift of the Democratic party that Biden appears like a moderate. And let's not even begin with Bernie/Warren/Beto/Castro/Harris...


Being a Liberal isn't very extreme, it is a moderate, middle of the road, ideology. Most of the Democratic party are moderates. Their policies are unchallenging and do not threaten the status quo very much. They don't actually seek to change things significantly at all.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 23 2019 04:04pm)
I wasnt just talking about the recent impeachment proceedings, I was also talking about the Mueller investigation and the way it was exploited and spurred by the Democrats in an effort to paint Trump as an illegitimate president who only got into office based on outside interference.
Like I said: the Democrats and their allies in the media did everything in their power to undermine and stymie Trump every step of the way, to prevent him from enacting his agenda as much as possible. Which honestly didnt require all that much effort, given the slim majorities he had in Congress during his first 2 years in office, and given his tendency to dig a new hole for himself every other week.


How is this different from any unloyal opposition in the United States? Spoils system has been around since Andrew Jackson.

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Oct 24 2019 08:46am
https://www.yahoo.com/news/house-dems-accuse-impeachment-witnesses-080712673.html
House Dems Accuse Impeachment Witnesses of Coordinating Testimony
The Daily Beast Sam Brodey,The Daily Beast 6 hours ago

the (D)s pull the fabled 'no u' claim, this after it's confirmed schiff and his whistleblower(s) coordinated statements long before the actual accusation was made
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Oct 28 2019 10:35pm
Why are people acting like Trump could actually be impeached?
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