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Nov 10 2019 08:43am
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His campaign team did some amazing things with social media. I'll try to find the article later if you remind me. The fact that he just gave his team free reign to follow the math is unique; it isn't Trump, but the people he employed that deserve the credit.


yeah both Trump and Obama (or their teams) ran incredibly savvy, data-driven social media campaigns. it’s a touch funny given their vast difference in age and political positions that they both understand how to win and reach out to their voters with effective messaging in the modern era.

of course drumpf is blamed for what is it “abusing data” or “facebook helped only him!!” whatever by many of the election-denying lefties lmao

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Nov 10 2019 08:49am
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yeah both Trump and Obama (or their teams) ran incredibly savvy, data-driven social media campaigns. it’s a touch funny given their vast difference in age and political positions that they both understand how to win and reach out to their voters with effective messaging in the modern era.

of course drumpf is blamed for what is it “abusing data” or “facebook helped only him!!” whatever by many of the election-denying lefties lmao


I think one critical aspect is that "white male nerds" overwhelmingly preferred Obama over Romney, which allowed the Obama campaign to "win the meme and social media war" without having to do anything for it.
In 2016, the whtle male nerd demo was, imho, evenly split between pro-trumpers and anti-trumpers, but there was zero energy from this crowd in favor of Clinton. Which allowed the Trump campaign to win that cycle's meme and social media wars.

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yeah both Trump and Obama (or their teams) ran incredibly savvy, data-driven social media campaigns. it’s a touch funny given their vast difference in age and political positions that they both understand how to win and reach out to their voters with effective messaging in the modern era.

of course drumpf is blamed for what is it “abusing data” or “facebook helped only him!!” whatever by many of the election-denying lefties lmao


Obama's campaign wasn't anywhere near the level Trump's ran at. I'm not sure we've seen campaigning innovation this strong since Andrew Jackson.
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rahm emanuel, let me guess... his 'recipe for success' is being as 'moderate' as possible, almost indistinguishable from establishment republicans.
the only way to beat trump is leaving the poor millionaires and billionaires alone, not touching the healthcare system, education, or minimum wages, let alone campaign financing or the poor struggling fossil fuel industry by pushing for a green new deal.

basically, be like the republicans, just give it a slight democrat spin - because that's how you 'win' the legions of undecided voters. all they want is the same old system, that benefits the donor class and screws them over, just not quite as blatantly corrupt, incompetent, and racist as trump.


i don't even have to read his shit to know what he suggests - shills gonna shill. 2016 has illustrated how 'popular' those establishment dems are - losing the electoral college against the worst republican candidate in history.

just wondering, is he still on the biden train, or trying to prop up some other party pet while shitting on bernie and warren? maybe even preparing his own presidential bid?
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rahm emanuel, let me guess... his 'recipe for success' is being as 'moderate' as possible, almost indistinguishable from establishment republicans.
the only way to beat trump is leaving the poor millionaires and billionaires alone, not touching the healthcare system, education, or minimum wages, let alone campaign financing or the poor struggling fossil fuel industry by pushing for a green new deal.

basically, be like the republicans, just give it a slight democrat spin - because that's how you 'win' the legions of undecided voters. all they want is the same old system, that benefits the donor class and screws them over, just not quite as blatantly corrupt, incompetent, and racist as trump.


i don't even have to read his shit to know what he suggests - shills gonna shill. 2016 has illustrated how 'popular' those establishment dems are - losing the electoral college against the worst republican candidate in history.

just wondering, is he still on the biden train, or trying to prop up some other party pet while shitting on bernie and warren? maybe even preparing his own presidential bid?


Actually, he is using the success of Democratic candidates in the 2018 midterms and the recent, nov 2019 state elections to build his case that the sensible, center-left agenda of these Congressional and state level Democrats would be the wiser approach for the presidential candidates as well.
What he's saying is "look, we have found a formula which has proven in recent elections to be a winning formula - we should stick to this approach".

Some passages from the article:

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For too long, Democrats have been engaged internally in a fruitless debate about whether we ought to pursue a strategy that emphasizes persuasion or mobilization. Trump has made that conversation obsolete. He is all the impetus many voters need to get out to the polls. [...]
The good news for Democrats is that Trump doesn’t have enough die-hard voters to win without convincing some voters who are on the fence. The bad news for Democrats? Neither do we.

As the 2018 and 2019 elections proved beyond any doubt, if we’re going to prevail in battleground states like Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, we both need to get our base to the polls and we need to persuade voters that they can safely vote for our candidates, knowing that they are the right choice for the country.


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When Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer was running for governor, she made “Fix the Damn Roads!” her campaign slogan because that phrase spoke to Michiganders’ general frustration that government simply wasn’t doing its job. She wasn’t offering voters Shangri-La, in large part because she knew they wouldn’t believe any elected official could deliver it. Instead, she offered the public an appreciation that getting the basics done well would exceed most people’s expectations and help improve their lives in practical, tangible ways. By tapping into the prevailing view, Whitmer was able to fortify our party’s Metropolitan Majority—flipping a swing-state gubernatorial seat Republicans had held for eight years.

That’s why our party enjoyed so much success both in 2018 and then again Tuesday. What’s so odd is that despite the lessons of success, our candidates are taking positions during this primary campaign that will almost inevitably be liabilities during the general election.


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The dissonance is remarkable. Compare what the candidates who won last year and this year’s elections have done to what the presidential candidates are offering ahead of 2020. On health care, successful Democrats didn’t mention "Medicare for All;" they explained how they would control prescription drug costs and preserve protections for preexisting conditions. They didn’t offer free college; they spoke about equity and fairness across the educational spectrum, from early childhood to higher ed. They didn’t talk about the Green New Deal so much as they proposed to expand renewable energy and invest in the jobs and growth that come with it. They didn’t offer to guarantee anyone’s income so much as explained how they would attract good jobs that would provide for a middle-class life. They didn’t talk about confiscating guns from law-abiding citizens; they promised to support the background checks that prevent criminals from getting access to weapons.


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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/juliorosas/2019/11/11/bernie-sanders-mandatory-buybacks-of-firearms-is-unconstitutional-n2556267

Bernie once again confirms that he stands by the 2nd amendment. Is that even going to get him new voters though? I don't think there are many people who prioritize the 2nd Amendment over economic policy on the left.
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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/juliorosas/2019/11/11/bernie-sanders-mandatory-buybacks-of-firearms-is-unconstitutional-n2556267

Bernie once again confirms that he stands by the 2nd amendment. Is that even going to get him new voters though? I don't think there are many people who prioritize the 2nd Amendment over economic policy on the left.


I won’t vote for anyone on the left or right who would try to forcibly disarm the public unless they forcibly disarm the cops first.
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Nov 11 2019 02:20pm
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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/juliorosas/2019/11/11/bernie-sanders-mandatory-buybacks-of-firearms-is-unconstitutional-n2556267

Bernie once again confirms that he stands by the 2nd amendment. Is that even going to get him new voters though? I don't think there are many people who prioritize the 2nd Amendment over economic policy on the left.


I dont think that this will get him any new voters, but it should help him reassure his base. On economic policy, him and Warren have very similar ideas and plans. Where these two really differ is the tonality and who they appeal to: Warren appeals to college-educated, suburban to urban progressives, while Bernie appeals more to rural and working-class lefties. And with those groups, gun confiscation would not fly.

In a certain way, his stance on gun control also signals to voters that he has common sense.
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