He's a serial drug abuser best known for ruining his children's financial future and snorting lines.

He gives the company zero credibility outside of the protection his father's name offers. That's what they paid for.

The conflict of interest is obvious. This is Biden's last surviving son, with a history of squandering every opportunity provided him. If he's in trouble, is Dad going to sit back and watch it happen again?

bogie...me, you and Icemage go way back in defending the Bush administration and rightly criticizing the Obama administration. This isn't the fucking hill to die on. It's painfully obvious that Trump doesn't give a fuck about corruption.

Bogie Is also a vocal fascist and trump is right up that alley.

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Trump is corrupt, of course he doesn't care. Neither do the Democrats. All things being equal, the lawful president should remain in office until his term expires. The attempts to kick him out of office and otherwise invalidate the 2016 election are completely deranged.

Alas, they aren't equal. Trump has done some pretty unforgivable things and they need to be dealt with accordingly. It doesn't help that there are so many members of Congress who are fucking cowards though.

No one of importance is trying to invalidate the 2016 election either. Trump won and that's why we got the Obamacare mandate gone, 2 SCOTUS justices, and a significant amount of Circuit and District judges. Trump will remain in office unless the GOP decides to drop him....in which case, he deserves it. At the end of the day though, the best thing for this country is for Trump to be destroyed at the ballot box and we have a moderate Democrat who can fix the hemorrhaging of our soft foreign policy power. We need someone who can address the short-comings of our system so we don't have this again.

Impeachment and removal are legitimate political processes outlined in the Constitution. Plus, it's not like Hillary takes over. Mike Pence would become president.

Faced with the same fact patterns under a Hillary or Jeb presidency, I would support impeachment and removal. The president cannot abuse his power so obviously and get away with it. And that's not even considering Trump's other potentially impeachable acts, as well as his unique unfitness for the office.

The Democrats and their allies in the media have been doing just that since before Trump was even inaugurated. They have tried to stymie his presidency since day one.




Agreed. Impeachment inherently is a political process, and it wont be successful unless there is a public consensus around impeachment.




And that's the big problem: the alternative to Trump in 2020 wont be a moderate Democrat.

Let's not forget that even Joe Biden, who is nowadays seen as THE moderate candidate in the Democratic primary, was considered not a moderate but a staunch liberal for most of his political career. It is only in contrast to the recent, massive leftward shift of the Democratic party that Biden appears like a moderate. And let's not even begin with Bernie/Warren/Beto/Castro/Harris...

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If the polls are accurate at all, the public is more for impeachment at this point.

If only the GOP or politicians in general gave a shit about what their constituents think.

You know, George Bush had to deal with the same shit from the media for about 6 years so I don't really have any sympathy for Trump. If you act like a buffoon, you'll be covered like a buffoon. Also, Foxnews is bending over backwards for Trump which is why he is still swimming instead of outright drowning. Sure, SOME Democrats have been against Trump since day 1 but we also had Democrats like Feinstein who were willing to work with Trump. The slow uptick in support for getting rid of Trump on the left is due to Trump's own actions. Why should we have any sympathy for him?

As for Biden, working in the executive branch forces you to the center because that's the most effective way to govern. While Biden was a fairly liberal senator (I think he was historically in the 50th percentile for "liberalism"), he definitely shifted to the right as VP. Bernie, Beto, Castro, Harris have no path to victory so I'm not worried about them. Warren is quite liberal and we should be worried about her. However, I'd risk 4 years of Warren over 4 years of Trump I think. The foreign policy aspect is just too damn important to me.

They do. Current polls show about 50% of the public in support of impeachment and roughly 43% opposed. That's perfectly in line with Trump's long-term approval ratings and the general partisan split in the country. See here:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

Up until recently, a certain share of people disapproved of Trump, but also did not support impeachment. Since the Ukraine story broke, these people have come around to now also support impeachment, which has now become yet another hyperpartisan issue: almost all GOP voters opposed, almost all Democrats and Dem-leaning folks in favor.

The bottom line of these numbers is that a very large majority of Republican voters is still against impeachment. Hence, GOP politicians are indeed acting in line with what their voters think when they reject impeachment.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 23 2019 01:47pm