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May 24 2018 01:53pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ May 24 2018 11:51am)


He's not claiming meat doesn't cause fat increase, he's simply stating that carbs/sugar are a huge factor (which they are).

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May 24 2018 01:59pm
Quote (JohnMiller92 @ 24 May 2018 20:53)
He's not claiming meat doesn't cause fat increase, he's simply stating that carbs/sugar are a huge factor (which they are).


Actually im not sure your both guys know that fat (especially the one in red meat) and sugar have a strong synergy.
It "fix" the fat in the body. Not sure it's a good idea to expand the subject of this topic, wich was a small vegan "protest".

The only good guys are the Inuits

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May 24 2018 02:01pm
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People in america would actually would end up healthier if they ate more meat tbh.

Americans are fat because Carbs/Sugar which generally leads to people likely to overeat.


I disagree. Excess protein is just as toxic as excess fructose/starch

The American protein requirements are flawed because they don't base requirements on lean body mass
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May 24 2018 02:05pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ May 24 2018 02:01pm)
I disagree. Excess protein is just as toxic as excess fructose/starch

The American protein requirements are flawed because they don't base requirements on lean body mass


that's fine, but doesn't change lance's point. carbs and sugars especially are super easy to exceed your daily need for. meat isn't as much. meat is filling, so even if you gorge you'll be only going over by a bit. compare that to sugar, one person can consume thousands of percent of their daily need just be sipping sodas at their desk. if people are more meat, they might get more full, and eat less sugar/carbs.
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May 24 2018 02:07pm
Btw 250g of red meat per week... Thats a reasonable amount ?
Wrongly cooked red meat is also massively carcinogen.
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May 24 2018 02:10pm
Quote (thesnipa @ May 24 2018 11:01am)
100% sure the bold is a large factor in this. And a lot of factors to think on:

-online campaigns use shock and awe tactics, generally out of context. Some vegan groups are as disingenuous as project veritas. yet they snare a lot of people.

-the online meta is constantly trying to force false binaries. "meat eater bad, veggie eater good" type stuff. it makes people think that their side isn't problematic

-older people are going veggie/vegan but from my anecdotal view its more of a dietary total health move than a moral one by-and-large

-stuff like farmer's markets are becoming trendy, which acts as an on ramp for youth to start down the path to food independence.

-there are intersections of people who all coalesce in veganism. cultural vegetarians, dietary vegetarians, animal right's activists, farmer's market hipsters, and even people just wanting to get in on a hot trend. but they all share motivations that got them on the path, and these become group motivations, in these groups people get a strange perspective of being moral based on their group. even if the motivations don't perfectly fit to them. we've all seen this, someone just wants to save money on veggies, then talks about the health benefits, then reads online about pesticides, then factor farming, etc. next thing u know they're a vegan. i see the vegan path as very linear and dont see many if any turn back ever.

-veganism, as with any budding movement is spreading massively through the internet. the emergence of vegan restaurants must have vegans from the 70s-80s drooling. their years of careful food prep as their only means of eating is now dated. vegan certified products have been very consistent. if anything vegan/organic labels are almost too strict on the side of caution.


I guess in the end the question is, does it really effect us? Unlike you I haven't seen any demonstration or personally had to waste time/energy to deal with some of the OTT rhetoric. Regarding your point on online communities...In general the internet has normalized radical thinking in addition to ideas that were previously considered outlandish. Keeping politics out of it for a moment, whatever your belief system is or whatever specific fetish, xyz flat earth theory - you will be able to find a community that will back your idea and bring positive reinforcement to a notion that would have previously been given no thought. Sad irony that as powerful an invention the internet may be, I would argue it is the foundation of anti-intellectualism

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Quote (thesnipa @ May 24 2018 09:32am)
if you think being pushed down the stairs is a choice it would be great if you could make that choice for yourself.


No humour? Wife must be as dry as her cereal.
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May 24 2018 02:12pm
yes, those protests arent a big deal compared to the FDA lobbying and super poor nutrimental education
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May 24 2018 02:15pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ May 24 2018 12:07pm)
Btw 250g of red meat per week... Thats a reasonable amount ?
Wrongly cooked red meat is also massively carcinogen.


You like steak tartare?

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May 24 2018 02:17pm
I have noticed one thing*. Vegetarians tend to look dry and pale as they age, what is the reason for this?

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