He left out the part where Communism is ALWAYS an authoritarian state.

This post was edited by EndlessSky on Sep 14 2017 05:24pm

By then the people who were terrorized had become the tyrants. It happens a lot...that is more of a human thing though because that story has replayed itself throughout history over and over again.

In more democratic, less authoritarian places, the transition to socialism has played out very differently. But the Nordic transition to socialism wasn't nearly as desperate as the Vietnamese or Russian. Yugoslavia was different than Russia....Stalin was just a monster.

This post was edited by Skinned on Sep 14 2017 05:30pm

European welfare states are capitalist, just highly taxed.

Communism is described as a stateless society by its pioneers. Try again.

the late stage capitalism idea of communism isn't achievable without a super advanced utopian society with a magical box in every house that can produce any good or service with the touch of a button.

what people commonly understand as communism always requires an authoritarian state to seize the means of production.

socialism doesn't exist in any European countries today. They have aspects of welfare states, not actual socialism as the means of production are privately owned. The modern places that actually have socialism are complete shitholes like north korea

This post was edited by majorblood on Sep 18 2017 01:47am

You can't lay the state of North Korea solely at the feet of socialism.

ok

There is something called a mixed economy. Keep your North Korean straw man sir.

Nobody haa brought up Somalia as a libertarian paradise because its a stupid argumemt and was used to make fun of people saying North Korea is communist. They are feudal dude, they've lived the same way unchanged for hundreds maybe a thousand years. This is the nature of conservatism. The name of the king has changed, the lifestyle has not.

So I guess we can bring back the thing where we talk about Somalia every time libertarianism comes up like you guys do with socialism. It just doesn't mean anything outside of peer circlejerking.

You aren't addressing anything I said. North Korea is a socialist state as the means of production are not privately owned. They are not communist in the Marxist definition because they are not a stateless society.

There are no socialist countries in Europe as the means of production are privately owned. What strawman am I making exactly?

The means of production are owned by one dynastic family. They have a monarchy or dictatorship....but I'm pretty sure they claim that god himself made their family the lords of Korea.

People dont own the means of production in NK.. One royal family controls it all.

Using North Korea as an example of socialism is like using Somalia as an example of Libertarianism. I guess we can do this in seriousness here. In real life feudalism =/= socialism.

This post was edited by Skinned on Sep 18 2017 05:17am