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Sep 13 2017 09:04pm
Why is it that in world history texts there are whole textbooks on the holocaust (the systematic extermination of 12 million innocent souls) and the idea of national socialism is so beaten and battered into the minds of the people of the west, but the Marxist governments that led to the death of ~100,000,000 people get a free pass when talking about communist ideas. USSR, China, DPRK, Vietnam, Cambodia, etc... have all been found to murder so many, but the ideas of communism get a pass in media and in academia. Why is this? And I'm legitimately asking for myself, I am only basing this off of arguments with professors, teachers, and people in my life that consider themselves socialists & look at communism as the perfect system.

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Sep 13 2017 09:11pm
you answered it yourself, your teachers and professors are very left wing
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Why is it that in world history texts there are whole textbooks on the holocaust (the systematic extermination of 12 million innocent souls) and the idea of national socialism is so beaten and battered into the minds of the people of the west, but the Marxist governments that led to the death of ~100,000,000 people get a free pass when talking about communist ideas. USSR, China, DPRK, Vietnam, Cambodia, etc... have all been found to murder so many, but the ideas of communism get a pass in media and in academia. Why is this? And I'm legitimately asking for myself, I am only basing this off of arguments with professors, teachers, and people in my life that consider themselves socialists & look at communism as the perfect system.




It's just the times. Back in the 50's, 60's and 70"s everyone was down on communism.
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Sep 13 2017 10:02pm
well cuz commieism hasn't "actually been tried"

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Sep 14 2017 12:17am
Uh, none of them were Marxist. They were Bolshevik and Leninist and Stalinist and Maoist and Chavist... all of them were authoritarian stare capitalists systems which directly contradicts orthodox Marxism.
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Sep 14 2017 01:31am
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Uh, none of them were Marxist. They were Bolshevik and Leninist and Stalinist and Maoist and Chavist... all of them were authoritarian stare capitalists systems which directly contradicts orthodox Marxism.


Pretty much.

Northern/Western European welfare states are better examples of Marxist systems than the Soviet era "Socialist republics"
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Sep 14 2017 01:33am
Because its fucking awesome
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Sep 14 2017 01:40am
Quote (balrog66 @ Sep 14 2017 03:31am)
Pretty much.

Northern/Western European welfare states are better examples of Marxist systems than the Soviet era "Socialist republics"


This is the leftist narrative of convenience, not one of merit. Largely capitalist countries with relatively high economic freedom and a welfare state are not great examples of marxism at all.
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Sep 14 2017 01:41am
Quote (cambovenzi @ Sep 13 2017 11:40pm)
This is the leftist narrative of convenience, not one of merit. Largely capitalist countries with relatively high economic freedom and a welfare state are not great examples of marxism at all.



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Sep 14 2017 04:21am
It is pretty successful in Europe.

Quote (cambovenzi @ Sep 14 2017 02:40am)
This is the leftist narrative of convenience, not one of merit. Largely capitalist countries with relatively high economic freedom and a welfare state are not great examples of marxism at all.


Well if you want to pick and chose I guess but this isnt a chinese buffet. Youre insistence on poor agrarian societies that were forced to rapidly modernize is cherry picked though and intellectually cowardly.

There are many variations, and poor agrarian societies that were mismanaged to the brink of destruction and revolution is very specific.

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