Aaaaaaaand, it begins...

Communism gets a free pass? I mean... wat.

The fact that communism -- as a social/political ideology -- is blamed for the corruption of self-proclaimed communists, speaks volumes about how indoctrinated people are against communism.

Not saying communism isn't a shitty ideology, but Western media go great lengths at making sure that people won't even think of agreeing with communism.



You are right, but they are better examples of marxism than authoritarian state capitalist countries such as the Soviet Union, Venezuela and Vietnam.

Communism is about everyone owning everything. Authoritarian state capitalism is about everyone owning nothing. They are basically opposites of each other, apart from the fact that the latter tend to advertise themselves as the former.

This post was edited by Leevee on Sep 14 2017 05:08am

I'm gonna guess you don't do History at an English University.
Most academics, especially in humanities, are relatively left-wing socially but there are thousands of books on the gulags and the USSR at least. We have several modules dedicated to the Soviets. None of them shy away from the horrors suffered under the regime. Nazis are just more popular. Perhaps one reason for that is that the 2nd World War affected us directly. Many of us are only one generation from someone who fought in it, but few of us have relatives that lived in a gulag.
Not even the most left-wing professor at my University would claim that the USSR was an ideal system though.

Dunno where you went to school but in America, Communism is vilified to nearly the same extent as Nazism (despite it having little to do with the evil perpetrated in Communist nations).

And if you go back to the Cold War, Communism was vilified even more than Nazism. Dunno where you live but I can't imagine it's in the US because your thread would make no sense.



He's right though.

This post was edited by Voyaging on Sep 14 2017 06:50am

Actually it has very much to do with. After the soviets came my grandmother and her family was shipped off to Siberia precisely because of communist ideals.

They had private property and were relatively well off. Instead they ended up in some Tundra simply because they were Christian and had a little land and stuff.

This.

"hasn't actually been tried" will always be the argument for communism/socialism and all their ridiculous variations.

INB4 someone says Bernie Sander's democratic socialist model has never been tried but would work.

Bernie Sanders preaching is mostly just preaching similar models that Canada/Western Europe and South Korea/Japan adhere to.

Slight modifications to the capitalist system is far from what Marx wrote about.


Western Europe isn't a bloc. The French and the German economies are extremely different. The German economy reflects the neoliberal reforms taken in the past few decades, whereas the French economy represents its' of strong workers' protection.
Most of those societies have extremely liberal economies.


I seem to have missed where Marx talks about cults of personality, ethnic purging and gulags.

Many "victims" claim to be innocent, while in reality they were criminals

Since when was communism not criticized?