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#41
Jul 11 2017 12:02pm
Quote (Leevee @ Jul 11 2017 06:59pm)
Same chances for everyone, stuff like that. If a person never went to university, it should be because they didn't want to go or because they decided that university is not for them. If money is your reason for not being able to attend college, your country is doing something wrong.

And FYI, I come from a family that's quite a bit above the median income. My parents paid more for college/university (through tax money) than what it would have cost for them if it wasn't subsidized. But they don't have a problem with it, and neither will I if/when I have kids. Education is simply something that shouldn't be a privilege for those who happen to have wealthy parents.


The whole point of student loans is that you only have to pay it back years down the line, when you start working. In England you only start paying it back at 9% of income above a certain threshold, and if you don't pay it back within 30 years it gets written off in full. That doesn't stop any poor people from getting the education they want - it just makes sure they pay for it when they're enjoying higher wages as a result. That is the most fair and equitable system.
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#42
Jul 11 2017 12:07pm
Quote (dro94 @ Jul 11 2017 08:02pm)
The whole point of student loans is that you only have to pay it back years down the line, when you start working. In England you only start paying it back at 9% of income above a certain threshold, and if you don't pay it back within 30 years it gets written off in full. That doesn't stop any poor people from getting the education they want - it just makes sure they pay for it when they're enjoying higher wages as a result. That is the most fair and equitable system.


That is indeed not a bad system at all. It makes the loans much more bearable than if they were simply treated as a regular loan.
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#43
Jul 11 2017 12:12pm
Quote (dro94 @ Jul 11 2017 01:02pm)
The whole point of student loans is that you only have to pay it back years down the line, when you start working. In England you only start paying it back at 9% of income above a certain threshold, and if you don't pay it back within 30 years it gets written off in full. That doesn't stop any poor people from getting the education they want - it just makes sure they pay for it when they're enjoying higher wages as a result. That is the most fair and equitable system.



And most definitely not the system in place in the states
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#44
Jul 11 2017 12:21pm
Quote (dro94 @ 11 Jul 2017 13:57)
good post my friend!


thank you my friend!

now he wants me to track down the posts where he was screeching about how aspensniper was using anecdotes/personal opinions on behavior patterns, then countered aspen with his very own anecdotes/personal opinions and stood on his little soapbox as if he was the correct one and no matter what anyone else argued he was 100% certifiably correct :lol:
not only does he want people to pay for his tertiary education he then wants people to do the work and he will take the paycheck :lol:

e: little fella needed our big strongk countries to win the wars too, but he would more quickly spit in our direction than to say "hey thanks!"

as for that little pokemon fella, its all over this thread:
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=76536049&f=119&p=517962728
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=76536049&f=119&p=518009184
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=76536049&f=119&p=518010401
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=76536049&f=119&p=518007666

and the follow up laughing at you saying something is 'categorically bad' only because you say so :rofl:

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=76644473&f=119&p=518358299
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=76644473&f=119&p=518349245

This post was edited by excellence on Jul 11 2017 12:23pm
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Jul 11 2017 12:59pm
Quote (dro94 @ Jul 11 2017 01:02pm)
The whole point of student loans is that you only have to pay it back years down the line, when you start working. In England you only start paying it back at 9% of income above a certain threshold, and if you don't pay it back within 30 years it gets written off in full. That doesn't stop any poor people from getting the education they want - it just makes sure they pay for it when they're enjoying higher wages as a result. That is the most fair and equitable system.


i had thought this was the student loan system everywhere :huh:
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Jul 11 2017 01:16pm
Quote (Knaapie @ Jul 11 2017 01:25pm)
Yeah, that's kinda the problem..



Did you just assume his race?
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Jul 11 2017 01:36pm
isn't it funny how all over the western world, the lower educated voters (i'm aware this is not what the graphic is showing, but there is a correlation between what you are / were a member of and what you trust) are those who support right wing ideas, nationalism, and authoritarian institutions? was the same with brexit...
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Jul 11 2017 01:39pm
Quote (fender @ Jul 11 2017 02:36pm)
isn't it funny how all over the western world, the lower educated voters (i'm aware this is not what the graphic is showing, but there is a correlation between what you are / were a member of and what you trust) are those who support right wing ideas, nationalism, and authoritarian institutions? was the same with brexit...


i don't see nationalism as the dirty racist concept the folks on the extreme left try to make it out to be
there's nothing wrong with a little patriotism and trying to preserve your culture, values, and traditions
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Jul 11 2017 01:47pm
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i don't see nationalism as the dirty racist concept the folks on the extreme left try to make it out to be
there's nothing wrong with a little patriotism and trying to preserve your culture, values, and traditions


to a nazi communist like fenderp, there is.
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Jul 11 2017 01:49pm
Quote (duffman316 @ 11 Jul 2017 20:39)
i don't see nationalism as the dirty racist concept the folks on the extreme left try to make it out to be
there's nothing wrong with a little patriotism and trying to preserve your culture, values, and traditions


who said it was "wrong" though?
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