Right, so the theory is, let people like me work even harder than we already are so that we can pay for people who don't want to. I don't mind paying towards a safety net for those who are truly disabled, but I do mind paying for the growing "bum" population who can work, but doesn't feel they should have to do so. That's not okay and not a sustainable method of government.



Cultural Maxism is a problem because it is a belief that one job is as valuable as another. Some interpret it to mean that society should prop itself up by having the higher class pay for the lower. If we do this, then you'll have a society of store clerks and dishwashers because it's easy mindless work. People need to be rewarded for working towards a more difficult and challenging career. At the end of the day, no normal brain thinks "hey i'll work my ass off, get a master's degree, work 60 hours a week, just to have the same (or mildly better) lifestyle as someone who does nothing or works very little."

So that's probably a negative effect.

Please read again, I'm talking about more efficient, meaning you'll pay less as a country in general. The safety nets, will give a lower incentive to crime, more efficiently than having more cops. As crime generally cause a lot of damage and costs a lot.

/e ofc you might have to pay a bit more, in a more socialistic society, I prefer to see it as a country doing better overall, thanks to your effort.

This post was edited by Knaapie on Jun 15 2017 12:59pm

You realize the vast cultural differences between a less racially diverse country's crime rates compared to the USA is drastically different. Non-whites and low income whites have had money poured to them before and it's overwhelmingly proven that increased welfare/unemployment spending does not lead to a lower crime rate in the USA.

So please, try another argument.

Also, in a true selfish manner, if I can have lower taxes and just buy a house in a nice neighborhood, why should I care about those who don't care to work as hard as I do? Isn't that more fair? I work harder, so I get more/better stuff than someone who doesn't.

This post was edited by AspenSniper on Jun 15 2017 01:00pm

Everything is selfish. I'm happy contributing to the less fortunately around me, in a society where working is stimulated a lot.

I think that's actually where the main difference between our perception of life lies, in a world where we are both salesmen at this time.

I don't give a shit about the stuff I own, happy ppl around me (in a very large circle, nearly global), make me happy, which is a rare perspective in my profession.

This post was edited by Knaapie on Jun 15 2017 01:10pm

There you have it. The bolded part.

Your entire argument is based on the assumption that those who are worse off simply never "cared" to work hard enough.

It is not based on facts, it's not even based on your own observations, it's just purely an assumption.

It's funny how you put effort into typing like an intelligent and level-headed person, but this is already your 75,947th post in which you show nothing but your own idiocy.



So please, try another argument.

I'm a Marxist with a master's degree who works almost 60 hours a week lol.

Seriously though there is a lot more to it than "all jobs are the same".

A Marxist would say that a butcher in the US shouldn't kill a butcher from Germany at the requests of the wealthy in their respective societies when they are told to murder one another for private property they do not even own themselves.

A bit oversimplied...but more accurate than the all jobs are the same explanation.

It has more to do with recognizing ideology at work in discursive ways.

lol.. he get's less than 200 dollars/month, he'd get 4x that here. and he practices music whole days creating art for nearly nothing.

Almost proof for a base income.

and he is getting paid somewhere else, 200/month can just about pay an electronic cigarettes addiction.

This post was edited by Knaapie on Jun 15 2017 02:34pm

You're delusional if you think the majority of people on welfare want jobs. I interned helping people find jobs in DC and I currently help college students find jobs. I find them places within walking distance or metro accessible for those who didn't have a car, etc. Literally the easiest mindless jobs in the world and people would find ANY fucking excuse not to take a job and just stay on welfare. College students use the same guise of "I'm drowning in debt" or "the job market is hard." It's just total BS. I've aligned hundreds of people with great jobs that were easy, provided growth, would help their financial situation and get them out of dangerous crime ridden areas, but you would not believe how difficult it is to get someone on welfare/unemployment to come off of it because they get accustomed to a really easy life where they don't have to work.

Please. It's my own experience doing it. My wife and a lot of my friends work at a staffing company and see the sameeee shit everyday.

Of course you won't find as many hard facts on it because it's not like you're going to get people to openly admit they have job offers and said no because they're rather stay on welfare. If they do that, they lose their welfare.

Wake up.

Even Obama agreed that it's a problem - https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/07/06/obama_acknowledges_welfare_programs_encourage_dependency.html

There are tons of documentaries like this, but I know you'll just say "a few cases don't define a population" or some crap like that.





I hate the "I help those around me and I don't care about money" argument. It's completely counterintuitive. I make a lot and because I do, I'm able to donate to a lot of charities I feel passionate about. Hard to donate to charities without making money right?

You're right though, it is selfishness. I donate and volunteer because it makes me feel good just as much as I do it because it'll help others. I think it's still mutualism though.

This post was edited by AspenSniper on Jun 15 2017 03:02pm

As so perhaps we all intuitively somewhat morally creates a balance for ourselves, to not only become a product of the incentives we are given at work peace men