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Jul 11 2017 04:43pm
"Years ago the snobby liberals were my main target on this forum, now I find myself agreeing with them more and more".

Liberal IceMage strikes again! The Agenda is working.

As for the OP, it seems like availability heuristics and confirmation bias are dominating the country's political views. This is of course stereotyping, but it seems like there's a direct correlation between political affiliation and social exposure that results in the trends found within the surveys. People to the right less likely to be a part of unions, be religious, are less likely to have gone to college, and often hear about the "liberal media". People on the left tend to be more often parts of unions, be less religious, more likely to have gone to college and don't hear about "conservative media" as often. So it's not necessarily surprising that people responded this way on the survey, finding that which they're exposed to to be favorable, and that which they have less experience with to be disfavorable.

To some extent, I wouldn't personally label this phenomenon as "anti-intellectualism", but rather false intellectualism. There's a really pervasive manifestation and preservation of ideological and community purity, where many people on either the left or the right believe that their "side" is 100% correct and moral and that any and all opposing sides are therefore 0% correct and moral. It's group-think, but on a runaway train-track. PaRD is even a microcosm of this phenomenon as seen evident with how some people post predominately not about what they do stand for, but instead just attacking what they stand against.

It's intellectually lazy, certainly, and definitely detrimental to our political process.

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Jul 11 2017 04:46pm
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The mainstream media as it exists today is meant to be a gatekeeper of information. It protects the numerous lobbies that are plundering the federal government, and keeps the level of public discourse at a safe level so the people are never speaking of 'real' topics.

The right wing has much more sophisticated minutia when it comes to governing the nation. Hence why the MainStream Media attempts to portray them as a bunch of dumb rednecks. Liberal views have a proven track record, in history and present day examples, of failure. Hence why they are espoused as sophisticated and taught in higher education. They need this dissonance because anyone who is subject to an honest display of these ideas can instantly see that conservatism is superior. The Christian sect of conservatism is easily twisted into an authoritarian 'enemy' that is easy to attack by pretend intellectual 'liberals'.

Fox news is not a conservative think tank. It is largely run by liberals who want to control and frame the debate. Listening to radio conservatives they have a much broader range of ideas to back up conservatism that are rarely touched on on television. The notion that Republicans are a party of stupid is nonsense, it is only being branded that. And we also have plenty of corrupt officials who have an 'R' next to their name who are not actually conservative.

If you are trying to make sense of politics in America by viewing it through the MSM, you will obviously be confused. The amount of corruption that Clinton and Obama have gotten away with over the years can only be accomplished with a complicit media.


The right has go to go beyond opposition mode to rule a country. I'm not sure if they can, from what I've seen.
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Jul 11 2017 04:57pm
Quote (tric-isHUGE @ Jul 11 2017 05:40pm)
The mainstream media as it exists today is meant to be a gatekeeper of information. It protects the numerous lobbies that are plundering the federal government, and keeps the level of public discourse at a safe level so the people are never speaking of 'real' topics.

The right wing has much more sophisticated minutia when it comes to governing the nation. Hence why the MainStream Media attempts to portray them as a bunch of dumb rednecks. Liberal views have a proven track record, in history and present day examples, of failure. Hence why they are espoused as sophisticated and taught in higher education. ( You can't reverse the roles because everyone will be conservative! ) They need this dissonance because anyone who is subject to an honest display of these ideas can instantly see that conservatism is superior. The Christian sect of conservatism is easily twisted into an authoritarian 'enemy' that is easy to attack by pretend intellectual 'liberals'.

Fox news is not a conservative think tank. It is largely run by liberals who want to control and frame the debate. Listening to radio conservatives they have a much broader range of ideas to back up conservatism that are rarely touched on on television. The notion that Republicans are a party of stupid is nonsense, it is only being branded that. And we also have plenty of corrupt officials who have an 'R' next to their name who are not actually conservative.

If you are trying to make sense of politics in America by viewing it through the MSM, you will obviously be confused. The amount of corruption that Clinton and Obama have gotten away with over the years can only be accomplished with a complicit media.


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Jul 11 2017 05:02pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Jul 11 2017 10:57pm)
if you're not trolling you need medical help


I can make a new account and espouse a simplified, dumbed down version of liberal viewpoints. Fox News is doing the same thing. They have some commentators that are legit conservatives, but that does not mean the entire organization is. Their business model is to sell advertisements and to do that they cater the content to their target audience.

Go apply for a job at Fox News and tell them how conservative you are, I don't think they give a fuck. LOL
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Jul 11 2017 05:04pm
Quote (Knaapie @ Jul 11 2017 03:46pm)
The right has go to go beyond opposition mode to rule a country. I'm not sure if they can, from what I've seen.


Ironically that's exactly what's happening on the left right now. It seems like every time i see a democrat politician on TV, it's always permeated with attacks on Trump and resisting no matter what.

I mean the Republicans did the same thing few years back but to pretend they were obstructionists back then but the dems aren't now is just being biased bro.

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Jul 11 2017 05:15pm
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Ironically that's exactly what's happening on the left right now. It seems like every time i see a democrat politician on TV, it's always permeated with attacks on Trump and resisting no matter what.

I mean the Republicans did the same thing few years back but to pretend they were obstructionists back then but the dems aren't now is just being biased bro.


There's a pretty significant difference, one being we don't have democrats saying they will oppose anything no matter what as long as Trump says it.
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Jul 11 2017 05:18pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 12 Jul 2017 00:15)
There's a pretty significant difference, one being we don't have democrats saying they will oppose anything no matter what as long as Trump says it.


and having a main focus to repeal Obama's policies. While a vision for a future is lacking.
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Jul 11 2017 05:29pm
Quote (zarkadon @ Jul 11 2017 11:47am)
It's a shame there aren't more than 2 parties in the US (as in more than two with a serious chance). It's almost like there's 2 or 3 parties in one and it would make more sense if they split up. Obviously that's not productive under the current electoral system, but I imagine it would be interesting for americans to have more specific party options to vote for, and know that you're vote isn't going to christian conservatives if you're a progressive libertarian or vice versa.


We form political coalitions before elections rather than after, like European nations. That is why they are much more politically diverse than US. Liberals and conservatives hang up on the greens and socialists while actual fascist parties exist officially etc. They have elections, then form governments.

We have a spoils winner take all system. Third parties only rise up to replace one of the two. That is why I think the GOP is on trouble, because their authoritarian wing is in control but the freedom/libertarian wing is large enough for their to be a real schism.

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Jul 11 2017 05:32pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Jul 11 2017 06:04pm)
Ironically that's exactly what's happening on the left right now. It seems like every time i see a democrat politician on TV, it's always permeated with attacks on Trump and resisting no matter what.

I mean the Republicans did the same thing few years back but to pretend they were obstructionists back then but the dems aren't now is just being biased bro.


Meh, they're trying to steal heathcare and harm American families.

The GOP has gotten too Orwellian. How they use the word freedom baffles me....freedom to them is less people with less choices. They say things like school choice when vouchers are created to subsidize religious indoctrination/education, and turn the public schools as dumping grounds for the undesirable special we students that the new schools have the "freedom" to say no too. Taking over the national health department and taking healthcare from people is straight out of the 1984 playbook.

Quote (duffman316 @ Jul 11 2017 05:57pm)
if you're not trolling you need medical help


He's right...it is probably run by highly intelligent people, despite who their actual viewers are.

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Jul 11 2017 05:33pm
Quote (tric-isHUGE @ Jul 11 2017 06:02pm)
I can make a new account and espouse a simplified, dumbed down version of liberal viewpoints. Fox News is doing the same thing. They have some commentators that are legit conservatives, but that does not mean the entire organization is. Their business model is to sell advertisements and to do that they cater the content to their target audience.

Go apply for a job at Fox News and tell them how conservative you are, I don't think they give a fuck. LOL


i'm wondering how far off to the right you must be to see fox news as a liberal organization
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