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#91
Jun 16 2017 07:10am
Quote (AspenSniper @ 16 Jun 2017 08:56)



Haters gonna hate I guess. I used to be much more left wing minded in college. Then I started making money and saw my paychecks get eaten by taxes. Now I see myself paying more in taxes every year than most families earn in a year and the left cries "the wealthy don't pay enough taxes!" So yeah I mean I'd say that's some bullshit.



He started bragging that he makes more money or has a higher net worth than you or something of the sort too but that he doesnt care about money so it makes him better than you

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Jun 16 2017 07:12am
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He started bragging that he makes more money or has a higher net worth than you or something of the sort too but that he doesnt care about money so it makes him better than you


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Jun 16 2017 07:12am
Quote (duffman316 @ Jun 16 2017 02:38pm)
i take it your anecdotes (assuming you''ve come within 10 feet of poor people) are superior to his?


You're so preoccupied with wanting me to be wrong, that you didn't even realize that my anecdotes are the same as his anecdotes. The point entirely went over your head.

Quote (AspenSniper @ Jun 16 2017 02:56pm)
Nah you just refuse to go even remotely close to the middle because it might offend someone, so you stick to the extreme side to stay pure left and assume all people are good.

Welfare/unemployment stats are always a joke because the stats rely on fraud. I don't think the true "fraud" rate is all that high. The problem is the people who are legally on welfare within the guidelines, but have full capability to work, but opt not to. Please tell me how you'd like that stat to be pulled. Let's just ask them right? "Hi I see you're on welfare, but you're able bodied to work, would you like to?" "Of course, it's just hard" "Oh I see, have a good day." Come on. I don't get how anyone with a rational logical brain can think there isn't a high quantity of people on welfare who are on it because getting free cash is easier than working.

At least I provided a sample size of 400 people in my example, as anecdotal as it may be.


Please show me where I have said that I assume all people are good, and that I stick to the extreme side. Your reading skills do not seem to be much better than your critical writing skills.

Any level-headed socialist knows that social security comes at the cost of feeding greedy/lazy opportunists. I know that these people exist and I do not deny or justify this.

I am arguing against your statement that the majority of people benefiting from social security are of this kind. Other than an anecdote, you have still done nothing to show that this opinion is based on any facts whatsoever.

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Jun 16 2017 07:16am
Quote (AspenSniper @ Jun 16 2017 11:56pm)
Nah you just refuse to go even remotely close to the middle because it might offend someone, so you stick to the extreme side to stay pure left and assume all people are good.

Welfare/unemployment stats are always a joke because the stats rely on fraud. I don't think the true "fraud" rate is all that high. The problem is the people who are legally on welfare within the guidelines, but have full capability to work, but opt not to. Please tell me how you'd like that stat to be pulled. Let's just ask them right? "Hi I see you're on welfare, but you're able bodied to work, would you like to?" "Of course, it's just hard" "Oh I see, have a good day." Come on. I don't get how anyone with a rational logical brain can think there isn't a high quantity of people on welfare who are on it because getting free cash is easier than working.

At least I provided a sample size of 400 people in my example, as anecdotal as it may be.



Haters gonna hate I guess. I used to be much more left wing minded in college. Then I started making money and saw my paychecks get eaten by taxes. Now I see myself paying more in taxes every year than most families earn in a year and the left cries "the wealthy don't pay enough taxes!" So yeah I mean I'd say that's some bullshit.


I pay enough to buy a new car or two a year in tax and so does my missus, but i just see it as the cost of living in a first world country, of course i do not think i should pay more tax, but neither i nor you are who people are truly talking about when they say the rich should pay more.
They did a recent audit here in australia showing more than a third of people here earning over a million dollars per year pay ZERO net tax.
Then we have the corporations like chevronne (we just caught them evading 380 million in taxes in one transaction but it looks to be much more coming out).
In my country we do not even have enough work to come close to full employment so if some one wants to sit on benefits i encourage them.
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#95
Jun 16 2017 07:18am
Quote (Plaguefear @ Jun 16 2017 03:00am)
Guess this thread is now about how much money aspen makes. :huh:


When you said "this thread", are you sure you didn't mean to say "d2jsp"?
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Jun 16 2017 07:34am
Quote (Leevee @ Jun 16 2017 07:12am)

I am arguing against your statement that the majority of people benefiting from social security are of this kind. Other than an anecdote, you have still done nothing to show that this opinion is based on any facts whatsoever.


It's funny that u don't u don't realize you're in the same boat. U
Can't prove people are good on average any more than he can prove people are bad.

Maybe if u didn't have a massive boner for Austin (which makes the word salad I deleted from your post hilariously hypocritical) you'd realize that.
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#97
Jun 16 2017 07:36am
I have a problem with that word "Evil". Corporations are not evil. They are perceived to be evil. BP oil spill and corporations doing whatever they want is driven by the desire to make profit. Because the world depends on the monetary system, there are going to be losers and winners. In this case, the people that make the most money are the winners. In Ny, I've seen business practices that can be perceived as disgusting or evil. For example, there are businesses that rely on scamming people. One is alternate energy. A guy or gal call comes to your door, and they promise to lower your cost of electricity, and manipulate you to sign a 1 year contract with them. Then a month later, you receive two bills, one from Con Edision and the other from that fraudulent company. Then there is another one that promises that you will get a job cleaning buildings but you have to pay $350 as a fee. And probably the most evil shit is the one in which they tell you that if you donate $60 a month, you will help some poor kid in a third world country. To me that is not evil. That is just the result of a monetary system that drives people to become incredibly cynical and cannibalistic [dog eat dog world]. And it isn't only corporations. It is everywhere.
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Jun 16 2017 07:41am
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It's funny that u don't u don't realize you're in the same boat. U
Can't prove people are good on average any more than he can prove people are bad.

Maybe if u didn't have a massive boner for Austin (which makes the word salad I deleted from your post hilariously hypocritical) you'd realize that.


I'm not sure if you understand how arguments work.

- AspenSniper: "Some ridiculous point based on a logical fallacy."
- Leevee: "Your post contains a logical fallacy."
- thesnipa: "Well Leevee, now you have to prove him wrong with evidence of your own!"

I don't need to prove that I am right in order to point out that AspenSniper is wrong. I personally have made no claims whatsoever about how many of the people on social security are opportunists, and how many are valid users. I'm simply rejecting the assumption that majority are the former because it is an assumption.
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#99
Jun 16 2017 07:47am
Quote (Leevee @ Jun 16 2017 07:41am)
I'm not sure if you understand how arguments work.

- AspenSniper: "Some ridiculous point based on a logical fallacy."
- Leevee: "Your post contains a logical fallacy."
- thesnipa: "Well Leevee, now you have to prove him wrong with evidence of your own!"

I don't need to prove that I am right in order to point out that AspenSniper is wrong. I personally have made no claims whatsoever about how many of the people on social security are opportunists, and how many are valid users. I'm simply rejecting the assumption that majority are the former because it is an assumption.


Maybe I missed the part where he signed up for a structured debate. Here I thought this was a candid discussion forum. Don't worry, there are plenty of kids like u that took Phil 101 and apply it here. No one made u climb up on his dick, yet there u are time and again.

Just like the kids who followed widow around for years without realizing how pathetic they look to others picking low hanging fruit all day. Hey, I was one myself, but some people grow up.

Try reading aspens posts as editorial rants and not hard and fast arguments and you'll improve as a poster, maybe even as a person.
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Jun 16 2017 07:49am
Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 16 2017 03:47pm)
Maybe I missed the part where he signed up for a structured debate. Here I thought this was a candid discussion forum. Don't worry, there are plenty of kids like u that took Phil 101 and apply it here. No one made u climb up on his dick, yet there u are time and again.

Just like the kids who followed widow around for years without realizing how pathetic they look to others picking low hanging fruit all day. Hey, I was one myself, but some people grow up.

Try reading aspens posts as editorial rants and not hard and fast arguments and you'll improve as a poster, maybe even as a person.


Alright. I must have missed the memo when it was decided that PaRD was a subforum for people to throw some random opinions around without needing to worry about someone else challenging those opinions.

I'm sorry. I apologize and I shall leave AspenSniper alone.



One question though. I have noticed I tend to agree with Plaguefear quite often. Am I allowed to express my agreement whenever this happens?
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