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Jul 11 2017 10:33am
Quote (duffman316 @ Jul 11 2017 09:13am)
care to elaborate on this? what was the exact arguement


Sure.

In my ethics class i don't quite remember what was the exact argument but essentially my professor was saying that it is okay for public officials to do what ever they wanted in their private time as long as it doesn't affect their public duties. Eventually we got to talking about presidents & other elected officials. He was saying that it doesn't matter if they cheat on their wives or engage in other immoral activities as long as they perform their duties it shouldn't matter. I didn't really agree with him and essentially i was arguing that no, it is important what they do outside of their job because people voted for the image they portrayed and it would essentially amount to lying to the voter. My other point was if the public official is willing to lie, cheat, steal in his personal life then it's pure stupidity to think that it wouldn't translate into his work.

I don't recall the exact discussion because this was like 5 years ago but eventually we got to a point where i said that no it is categorically important what people do outside of their jobs when it comes to ethics (an absolutist perspective that's contrary to the relativistic shit he was peddling) . I knew he had children and asked him do you think it would be appropriate if your kids teacher went home and watched kiddie porn but it didn't interfere with the job, would that be appropriate? At that point he ended class and made us write a essay about how we feel about the class.

This professor used to refer to God as "she" and other disrespectful terms. We butted heads a lot but this was the most memorable encounter.
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Jul 11 2017 10:40am
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Sure.

In my ethics class i don't quite remember what was the exact argument but essentially my professor was saying that it is okay for public officials to do what ever they wanted in their private time as long as it doesn't affect their public duties. Eventually we got to talking about presidents & other elected officials. He was saying that it doesn't matter if they cheat on their wives or engage in other immoral activities as long as they perform their duties it shouldn't matter. I didn't really agree with him and essentially i was arguing that no, it is important what they do outside of their job because people voted for the image they portrayed and it would essentially amount to lying to the voter. My other point was if the public official is willing to lie, cheat, steal in his personal life then it's pure stupidity to think that it wouldn't translate into his work.

I don't recall the exact discussion because this was like 5 years ago but eventually we got to a point where i said that no it is categorically important what people do outside of their jobs when it comes to ethics (an absolutist perspective that's contrary to the relativistic shit he was peddling) . I knew he had children and asked him do you think it would be appropriate if your kids teacher went home and watched kiddie porn but it didn't interfere with the job, would that be appropriate? At that point he ended class and made us write a essay about how we feel about the class.

This professor used to refer to God as "she" and other disrespectful terms. We butted heads a lot but this was the most memorable encounter.


That seems like a weird stance to take, probably a lot of skeletons in her closet. While I agree that poor moral character doesn't necessarily affect your ability to do your job in many cases, people would have to be stupid to blindly trust you to do the right thing when no one is looking.
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Jul 11 2017 10:46am
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That seems like a weird stance to take, probably a lot of skeletons in her closet. While I agree that poor moral character doesn't necessarily affect your ability to do your job in many cases, people would have to be stupid to blindly trust you to do the right thing when no one is looking.


It's the logical conclusion to moral relativism. If i had to summarize the class in one sentence it would be that everything & anything is permissible under the right circumstances. Something that is diametrically opposed to theism which is absolutist.
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Jul 11 2017 10:47am
It's a shame there aren't more than 2 parties in the US (as in more than two with a serious chance). It's almost like there's 2 or 3 parties in one and it would make more sense if they split up. Obviously that's not productive under the current electoral system, but I imagine it would be interesting for americans to have more specific party options to vote for, and know that you're vote isn't going to christian conservatives if you're a progressive libertarian or vice versa.
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Jul 11 2017 10:48am
Quote (duffman316 @ Jul 11 2017 12:40pm)
That seems like a weird stance to take, probably a lot of skeletons in her closet. While I agree that poor moral character doesn't necessarily affect your ability to do your job in many cases, people would have to be stupid to blindly trust you to do the right thing when no one is looking.


I'd do the right thing regardless.
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Jul 11 2017 10:49am
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I never attacked him or his argument.... I just said he sounded confused.

Good Pic though!
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Jul 11 2017 10:51am

ITT: Trump cultists support my argument.[/QUOTE]

I say you sound confused - you immediately assume my political affiliation and call me a cultist.

Sounds good! Those boners must still confuse you.
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Jul 11 2017 10:55am
Quote (djman72 @ 11 Jul 2017 17:49)
I never attacked his argument....


Yeah, that's kinda the problem..

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Jul 11 2017 10:57am
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jul 11 2017 10:54am)
Ive been to college.

95% of the people who are there dont belong. Colleges used to be a pillar of knowlege and integrity. It used to mean a lot when you were accepted to a college. Now they are a for-profit busness that provides worthless degrees to children that arent qualified.

And its all the government's fault. All of these problems would be solved if the government didnt underwrite student loands and provide subsidy.


How does less people going to college move the country forward? You think the most advanced countries in the world aren't educating the shit out of their populace?

Quote (ofthevoid @ Jul 11 2017 11:08am)
I feel like i'v been in school for about 47 years and there's some reasons i can think of why conservatives might have negative views of universities. For one conservatives tend to be more religious. Try attending philosophy courses being a theist. I personally got into arguments with professors that were downright offensive and had no interest in objectivity rather peddled their relativistic outlook as fact. The thing is, it doesn't stop at the social sciences, last semester i was taking calculus and the professor and some students were openly berating Trump during class...like what does that have to do with calculus...or why is this appropriate? You might call this trivial but in all honesty it's reality.

Universities are inherently liberal and cater to liberal ideology. Most campuses i'v attended had very strong lgbbq , womens rights, diversity presence and so on meanwhile conservative views are marginalized and in some instances downright oppressed.

Of course there are the blue collar type republicans that never went to college that work for a living and are turned off by inexperienced, whiny young people that have a million demands and opinions so it's somewhat understandable why they might have negative perspective on universities.

And lol, are you shocked conservatives have a growing negative view of the MSM? I don't think i've ever seen a more one sided & imbalanced coverage.


I mostly agree with you, pretty much any philosophy or sociology course I took, you could definitely tell the professor was an atheist or a liberal, but that sort of comes with the territory. Most philosophers aren't religious and most sociologists aren't conservative. Sociologists see that the government has held certain groups back and favor using the government to help those groups move forward. It's not a good reason to believe that colleges/universities have a mostly negative impact on the nation.
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Jul 11 2017 11:01am
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jul 11 2017 05:54pm)
Ive been to college.

95% of the people who are there dont belong. Colleges used to be a pillar of knowlege and integrity. It used to mean a lot when you were accepted to a college. Now they are a for-profit busness that provides worthless degrees to children that arent qualified.

And its all the government's fault. All of these problems would be solved if the government didnt underwrite student loands and provide subsidy.


Funny how such an accurate post comes from someone like you.

The government is indeed at fault. They should not be underwriting student loans. Instead, they should be subsidizing college entirely, the way it is done in 1st world countries.

Making education a profitable business is step one where the USA went the wrong way. Education is an investment in the future, by the government and by the people.
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