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Oct 13 2014 05:07pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Oct 13 2014 06:52pm)
you know the cops got a slap on the wrist right? i mean it is a slap on the wrist but symbolically it means they were found to be in the wrong


They were sanctioned, they weren't necessarily in the wrong. The sanctions are pretty much for excessive force, but it doesn't mean they weren't allowed to be there or use force.
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Oct 13 2014 05:10pm
Quote (Caedus @ Oct 13 2014 06:50pm)
Break in? Police are allowed to enter under probable cause. This was the third time they were called to the house. They had legal reason to enter to shut the party down. They knocked on the door first. It's the homeowners fault for refusing to acknowledge them.


Clearly the police board disagreed with your ridiculousness when they said it was illegal entry
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Oct 13 2014 05:14pm
Quote (IceMage @ Oct 13 2014 05:16pm)
I'll concede that point, severe was the wrong word to use.  I imagine if I was part of a police department, I would want the benefit of the doubt, given the situations PO's face on a daily basis.  It's not easy to get away with serious fuck ups anymore.

BTW, this is coming from a guy that generally does not like cops.  They've only been a nuisance in my life.


They get the benefit to the point that someone has to outright prove on tape or video that he cop isn't lying. And cops lie all the time, and even brag about it.

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Break in? Police are allowed to enter under probable cause. This was the third time they were called to the house. They had legal reason to enter to shut the party down. They knocked on the door first. It's the homeowners fault for refusing to acknowledge them.


No, they are not. If the doors are shut, they have to get a warrant. I've been at more than one house party where we literally slammed the door in the face of cops responding to noise complaints. Granted, we locked the door after them, but if they had a right to come in, they'd have been smashing the door in. They do not. They had every right to respond to the call and to show up to investigate. They had zero right to enter.
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Oct 13 2014 05:21pm
Quote (Santara @ Oct 13 2014 07:14pm)
They get the benefit to the point that someone has to outright prove on tape or video that he cop isn't lying. And cops lie all the time, and even brag about it.



No, they are not. If the doors are shut, they have to get a warrant. I've been at more than one house party where we literally slammed the door in the face of cops responding to noise complaints. Granted, we locked the door after them, but if they had a right to come in, they'd have been smashing the door in. They do not. They had every right to respond to the call and to show up to investigate. They had zero right to enter.


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Oct 13 2014 05:24pm
Quote (bitg_pj @ Oct 13 2014 07:10pm)
Clearly the police board disagreed with your ridiculousness when they said it was illegal entry


That does not mean it was illegal. It means parts were not lawful. If they really made such a grievous error, they would have been fired.

The only person who is being ridiculous is you.
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Oct 13 2014 05:25pm
Quote (Caedus @ 13 Oct 2014 23:24)
That does not mean it was illegal. It means parts were not lawful. If they really made such a grievous error, they would have been fired.

The only person who is being ridiculous is you.


I'm sorry... maybe I'm missing something but how does illegal entry mean not illegal?
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Oct 13 2014 05:28pm
Quote (Santara @ Oct 13 2014 06:14pm)
They get the benefit to the point that someone has to outright prove on tape or video that he cop isn't lying. And cops lie all the time, and even brag about it.


I've experienced first hand cops lying(shocker, right kids?), even in court, but I think the benefit of the doubt they get probably helps society in the long run(considering serious cases).




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Oct 13 2014 05:33pm
Quote (IceMage @ Oct 13 2014 06:28pm)
I've experienced first hand cops lying(shocker, right kids?), even in court, but I think the benefit of the doubt they get probably helps society in the long run(considering serious cases).


Considering the gravity of the power they wield, I'd say the opposite is true. How many people went to their deaths on the malfeasance of cops and their testimony? There are studies putting the number of people on death row who're innocent at 1 in 25. Whatever happened to Blackstone's formulation?
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Oct 13 2014 05:33pm
Quote (Scaly @ Oct 13 2014 07:25pm)
I'm sorry... maybe I'm missing something but how does illegal entry mean not illegal?


Because they would have been fired if it had actually been illegal entry apparently.
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Oct 13 2014 05:36pm
Quote (Scaly @ Oct 13 2014 07:25pm)
I'm sorry... maybe I'm missing something but how does illegal entry mean not illegal?


Legality and illegality are not two spheres with no middle ground. One can do something wrong that makes something unlawful with the rest being legal. Perhaps the police should have waited longer. Perhaps they should have called. They 100% had cause to enter, it's not important given they were not sanctioned hard (and there is no reason to believe the review board was not acting properly).

They were enforcing a noise violation. You can't obstruct justice by refusing to acknowledge their present. The fact is this was the third time police were called due to noise violations. Police can enter a dwelling without a warrant to stop or prevent a breach of the peace.
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