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Oct 14 2014 07:48am
Quote (bitg_pj @ 14 Oct 2014 08:34)
How else do you crush that blue wall silence other than to bring severe punishment to any who perpetuate it .

Police protecting other police is such a rampant problem that cutting the head off the Beast may be the only way to stop it .... Heck they provide "professional courtesy" for duis..... Testilying.... Refusing to co operate with investigations against fellow officers are the common crimes ....

If you have a better idea I'm down to listen... As long as it isn't the stupidity that they do a hard and dangerous job ( no shit it's what they signed up for ) and should have and deserve the leeway they get ... Which is ridiculous ... Or pretending this kind of corruption isn't rampant ... Which is also ridiculous .



I know and agree that the system it's self needs an overhall my feelings have been that there needs to be a civilian oversight committee with free access to all records and testimonies for each police dept. I do think that some cops may think it dangerous to "buck" the system and speak out against another cop, when the chances of him depending on others to back him up in dangerous situations are likely.
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Oct 14 2014 08:46am
Quote (Valhalls_Sun @ Oct 14 2014 08:48am)
I know and agree that the system it's self needs an overhall my feelings have been that there needs to be a civilian oversight committee with free access to all records and testimonies for each police dept. I do think that some cops may think it dangerous to "buck" the system and speak out against another cop, when the chances of him depending on others to back him up in dangerous situations are likely.


not only was it a good movie, it was also a true story~

Serpico was shot during a drug arrest attempt on February 3, 1971, at 778 Driggs Avenue, in the Williamsburg section of Brooklyn. Four officers from Brooklyn North received a tip that a drug deal was about to take place.

Two policemen, Gary Roteman and Arthur Cesare, stayed outside, while the third, Paul Halley, stood in front of the apartment building. Serpico climbed up the fire escape, entered by the fire escape door, went downstairs, listened for the password, then followed two suspects outside.[7]

The police arrested the young suspects, and found one had two bags of heroin. Halley stayed with the suspects, and Roteman told Serpico (who spoke Spanish), to make a fake purchase attempt to get the drug dealers to open the door. The police went to the third-floor landing. Serpico knocked on the door, keeping his hand on his 9mm Browning Hi-Power. The door opened a few inches, just far enough to wedge his body in. Serpico called for help, but his fellow officers ignored him.[7]

Serpico was then shot in the face with a .22 LR pistol. The bullet struck just below the eye and lodged at the top of his jaw. He fell to the floor, and began to bleed profusely. His police colleagues refused to make a "10-13", a dispatch to police headquarters indicating that an officer had been shot.[7] An elderly man who lived in the next apartment called the emergency services and reported that a man had been shot. The stranger stayed with Serpico.[7] A police car arrived. Unaware that Serpico was one of them, the officers took him to Greenpoint Hospital.

The bullet had severed an auditory nerve, leaving him deaf in one ear, and he has suffered chronic pain from bullet fragments lodged in his brain. He was visited the day after the shooting by Mayor John V. Lindsay and Police Commissioner Patrick V. Murphy, and the police department harassed him with hourly bed checks. He survived and testified before the Knapp Commission.

The circumstances surrounding Serpico's shooting quickly came into question. Serpico, who was armed during the drug raid, had been shot only after briefly turning away from the suspect when he realized that the two officers who had accompanied him to the scene were not following him into the apartment, raising the question whether Serpico had actually been brought to the apartment by his colleagues to be murdered.

On May 3, 1971, New York Metro Magazine published an article about Serpico titled "Portrait of an Honest Cop". On May 10, 1971, Serpico testified at the departmental trial of an NYPD lieutenant who was accused of taking bribes from gamblers.
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Oct 14 2014 09:02am
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not only was it a good movie, it was also a true story~

Serpico was shot during a drug arrest attempt on February 3, 1971, at 778 Driggs Avenue, in the Williamsburg section of Brooklyn. Four officers from Brooklyn North received a tip that a drug deal was about to take place.

Two policemen, Gary Roteman and Arthur Cesare, stayed outside, while the third, Paul Halley, stood in front of the apartment building. Serpico climbed up the fire escape, entered by the fire escape door, went downstairs, listened for the password, then followed two suspects outside.[7]

The police arrested the young suspects, and found one had two bags of heroin. Halley stayed with the suspects, and Roteman told Serpico (who spoke Spanish), to make a fake purchase attempt to get the drug dealers to open the door. The police went to the third-floor landing. Serpico knocked on the door, keeping his hand on his 9mm Browning Hi-Power. The door opened a few inches, just far enough to wedge his body in. Serpico called for help, but his fellow officers ignored him.[7]

Serpico was then shot in the face with a .22 LR pistol. The bullet struck just below the eye and lodged at the top of his jaw. He fell to the floor, and began to bleed profusely. His police colleagues refused to make a "10-13", a dispatch to police headquarters indicating that an officer had been shot.[7] An elderly man who lived in the next apartment called the emergency services and reported that a man had been shot. The stranger stayed with Serpico.[7] A police car arrived. Unaware that Serpico was one of them, the officers took him to Greenpoint Hospital.

The bullet had severed an auditory nerve, leaving him deaf in one ear, and he has suffered chronic pain from bullet fragments lodged in his brain. He was visited the day after the shooting by Mayor John V. Lindsay and Police Commissioner Patrick V. Murphy, and the police department harassed him with hourly bed checks. He survived and testified before the Knapp Commission.

The circumstances surrounding Serpico's shooting quickly came into question. Serpico, who was armed during the drug raid, had been shot only after briefly turning away from the suspect when he realized that the two officers who had accompanied him to the scene were not following him into the apartment, raising the question whether Serpico had actually been brought to the apartment by his colleagues to be murdered.

On May 3, 1971, New York Metro Magazine published an article about Serpico titled "Portrait of an Honest Cop". On May 10, 1971, Serpico testified at the departmental trial of an NYPD lieutenant who was accused of taking bribes from gamblers.


Wow thats intense
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Oct 14 2014 05:07pm
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It is absolutely the law. Regulations about collecting evidence don't apply here, that wasn't the reason the police entered.

You have no proof the house was already emptied and people gone to bed. It took years (and the Canadian police is accountable, they don't sweep things under the rug) for the police to finally acquiesce and say the police were partially in the wrong. And since they didn't get what they wanted (a bucket load of money) they engaged in a civil suit and are now waging that war in the media. Why would the police enter a home that was quiet? Why was a brother and sister sitting in a bedroom in the dark? The Bishop's story doesn't add up. A third call wouldn't have been made if they weren't still being loud and rowdy. The police wouldn't have taken so long to get to the residence if it was the third time the address was being reported, so that rules out the party clearing up since the third call was made. It's almost certain the party was still going on, the Bishops refused to acknowledge the police present/were hostile to them being there again, and the police entered (due to probable cause of a crime being committed, Bishops refuse to listen to police, continue to act out, and the police enter to conduct an arrest. Then when they enter the intoxicated Bishops continue to be hostile, a struggle ensures which results in the excess use of force.

The review board did not say the police acted illegally. They said they used disproportionate force and unlawfully entered. Doesn't mean their actions were wholely illegal. They would have been sanctioned far more heavily if that was such. Canada is the country that forced an RCMP officer to resign or face employment termination for admitting to smoking marijuana, they would do more to someone who committed assault and break and enter.

Canada isn't the US. It's not up for citizens to decide whether a cop is acting illegally or not. It's up to the courts. If the Bishops would have listened to the police after the first noise complaint, and had actually answered the door after the third, they wouldn't be tens of thousands of dollars in debt.


Cite the precedent then.

A bucketload? They want enough money to cover their expenses and the city offered a fraction. Only 2 calls were made, not 3. By the time the officers returned, the victims were in an upstairs bedroom where the officers found them. There's nothing contradicting this narrative.

The review board is QUOTED stating the entry was illegal. How in the hell can you, with a straight face then tell me "the review board did not say the police acted illegally?"
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Oct 14 2014 05:11pm
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Cite the precedent then.

A bucketload? They want enough money to cover their expenses and the city offered a fraction. Only 2 calls were made, not 3. By the time the officers returned, the victims were in an upstairs bedroom where the officers found them. There's nothing contradicting this narrative.

The review board is QUOTED stating the entry was illegal. How in the hell can you, with a straight face then tell me "the review board did not say the police acted illegally?"


Because he done lost his mind .... The dudes fried ... I don't get it
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Oct 15 2014 12:46am
how many little girls dressed up in police uniforms does it take to take down one nunchuck hobo? bout 50 or so



least they didn't shoot him but don't see why it takes more than 3 for situations like this

excessive force/lackthereof aside in this case, this is a massive waste of resources

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You saying cops just act instead of thinking? :rofl:
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