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#91
Aug 10 2014 10:10pm
Quote (Santara @ Aug 10 2014 11:16pm)
Widow already answered eloquently, I would only paraphrase: without references from which to draw distinctions, how do we identify and quantify "good" without "evil?"


I've already stated I am not saying God should have created a world without evil.
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#92
Aug 10 2014 10:46pm
Quote (Voyaging @ 10 Aug 2014 21:10)
I've already stated I am not saying God should have created a world without evil.



Sure, but you're using that as a supporting claim which is kinda nonsense to be honest :P
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#93
Aug 10 2014 11:14pm
"Is Snake willing to fuck my wife, but not able?
Then he is not virile.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is not doing us all a service.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh my wife's empty box?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him PlasmaSnake?"

Fortunately questions you never need to ask, because Snake is always willing and able.

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#94
Aug 10 2014 11:23pm
Quote (Coerce @ Aug 8 2014 05:22pm)
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"

-Epicarus

So what does this mean to you?  It absolutely makes sense to me seeing as how "He" is the all knowing creator but allows unjust actions to happen to men, women, and children.



What is good or evil is just a matter of perception and what made god is just perfect on how it is?
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#95
Aug 11 2014 08:38am
Quote (Voyaging @ Aug 9 2014 08:17pm)
More utter nonsense, but then again you cannot see how a world better than ours could exist so I wouldn't expect you to recognize that our world, all else the same, devoid of suffering, would be strictly better than our world and would lack nothing.

The argument that suffering somehow emboldens the human experience is purely a fallacy, caused by the entrenched belief among the scientifically illiterate that the fact that our brain is wired to cause us grief and to keep us from being happy for anything more than a moment, that this is some sort of metaphysical rule.


What do you care about scientific literacy? Catatonic hedonism is what you're preaching.

The human experience is meaningless without struggle and conflict, if all we do is sit around drugged up we might as well be dead.
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#96
Aug 11 2014 09:18am
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What do you care about scientific literacy? Catatonic hedonism is what you're preaching.

The human experience is meaningless without struggle and conflict, if all we do is sit around drugged up we might as well be dead.


This opinion is fairly easy to have when you've never experienced hardship or loss.
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#97
Aug 11 2014 09:31am
Quote (bogie160 @ Aug 11 2014 08:38am)
What do you care about scientific literacy? Catatonic hedonism is what you're preaching.

The human experience is meaningless without struggle and conflict, if all we do is sit around drugged up we might as well be dead.


Unless God designed us so that humans can have a meaningful experience without struggle and conflict..... Let's take Adam and Eve in the garden, they certainly had meaningful lives without knowledge of good and evil or suffering. In Heaven our lives will be meaningful even though we won't know suffering and will only worship God.

There is no reason that the human experience should be only meaningful with any amount of suffering, joy, or any other attribute. God who designed us could have created us such that the human experience would be meaningless without Ham Sandwiches (peace be upon them), but he didn't.

If you can't think of a better world you don't have a very good imagination. I'll do it for you..... I imagine this world, however my grandmother who died of cancer was in one less day of pain. She still had cancer but it was one day late and she died on the same day. I have just thought of a better world.

Quote (EndlessSky @ Aug 10 2014 07:01pm)
Why do atheists worship Epicurus? There were so many other more intelligent and useful philosophers in that age.


Why do Christians think atheists worship any figure? There are so many more intelligent things to say...

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#98
Aug 11 2014 09:54am
Quote (EndlessSky @ Aug 10 2014 08:01pm)
Why do atheists worship Epicurus? There were so many other more intelligent and useful philosophers in that age.


Nietzsche, Sartre, Darwin, Marx >
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#99
Aug 11 2014 01:19pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Aug 11 2014 09:38am)
What do you care about scientific literacy? Catatonic hedonism is what you're preaching.

The human experience is meaningless without struggle and conflict, if all we do is sit around drugged up we might as well be dead.


more meaningless nonsense used to justify miserable experiences in place of having to provide an actual explanation for why miserable experiences occur in such a "perfect" world

might as well just admit you have no answers and you think it's all god's plan

this is right up there with "he's in a better place now" when asking why god let some infant die

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#100
Aug 11 2014 02:11pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Aug 11 2014 03:19pm)
this is right up there with "he's in a better place now" when asking why god let some infant die


Might as well just kill everyone and send them to that better place, eh?

Quote (Thor123422 @ Aug 11 2014 11:31am)
In Heaven our lives will be meaningful even though we won't know suffering and will only worship God.


Yes exactly, if suffering is requisite for life to have meaning, then I guess life in heaven would be meaningless.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Aug 11 2014 11:31am)
God who designed us could have created us such that the human experience would be meaningless without Ham Sandwiches (peace be upon them), but he didn't.


LOL

Quote (bogie160 @ Aug 11 2014 10:38am)
Catatonic hedonism is what you're preaching. if all we do is sit around drugged up we might as well be dead.


If your only conception of a world with more joy and sublime mystical experiences is being (drugged up) then you really do need to try to imagine harder. "Catatonic" doesn't enter into the equation at all. In fact, our current daily life is infinitely more catatonic and meaningless than it could be in a better world.

What say you about heaven? Is life in heaven meaningless as well?
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