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Aug 14 2022 04:35pm
Quote (Ironfister @ Aug 14 2022 11:38pm)
First of all,
Im from Poland, eastern Europe, so I kind of know what eastern people do.
If you give them a tourist visa, most of them will work illegally that way or another.
Take earned money into Russia, and help Putin cause.
Im not sure how its possible, but there are many illegal workers in west Europe, and it seems its more or less tolerated.
Second of all, Ukrainian refugees went through hell.
In my city there is an airport, and they panic whenever plane flies.
Now imagine a Ukrainian woman and Russian woman, brainwashed by Putin TV, meet.
Third of all, a woman from Russia will spread Putin lies propaganda.
Fourth of all, we need to send a clear signal to Russian people, that Russian terrorism isn't tolerated here.
Putin is a dictator, but even a dictator needs to look at his people mood. If they will be pushing him, it might be one more reason to stop the war.
Fifth of all, how do you know the woman in question wasnt recruited to be Putin agent?

War always bring casaulties, the only thing we can do is to minimize them, often its about choosing less wrong potion.

Because of above points, Visa war helps to starve Putin regime.
Trade ban, Visa ban, it all helps to starve Putin of his money.

I get where you come from but banning normal civilians isn't going to be of use to anyone.
You also mentioned Russia conquering everything until German border. That's propaganda on both sides. Russia can't even dream facing nato troops head on, that's not even a contest. At the same time, nato doesn't want direct intervention because it could cause nuclear response. Western media spread the conquering narrative to keep support for Ukraine flowing, Russian media does the same to not appear weak for their folks and towards baltic states.

About those illegal eastern Europeans, most of them are Ukrainians and Bulgarians, not Russians. Also, those people hardly contribute anything economically to their country of origin.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Aug 14 2022 04:38pm
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Aug 14 2022 08:22pm
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Russia is no need for @visa@ if we need your country - we will get it
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Aug 14 2022 11:15pm
Quote (Drex @ 15 Aug 2022 05:22)
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Russia is no need for @visa@ if we need your country - we will get it


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Aug 14 2022 11:20pm
Quote (babun1024 @ 15 Aug 2022 00:35)
I get where you come from but banning normal civilians isn't going to be of use to anyone.
You also mentioned Russia conquering everything until German border. That's propaganda on both sides. Russia can't even dream facing nato troops head on, that's not even a contest. (...)

About those illegal eastern Europeans, most of them are Ukrainians and Bulgarians, not Russians. Also, those people hardly contribute anything economically to their country of origin.


Dont be so sure. Of course NATO is much more powerful than Russia, but its not very much united and its our weakness.
Mr Trump wants USA out of NATO, as he would rather see USA stop their world leader role.
The same goes for mrs LePen - she is a Putin friend too.
Germany, one of the biggest economies in the world, said that they can make only 20 tanks for Poland. Which is low as hell, as we would like to buy about 400 to stay properly protected against Russians.
Also do you think a Turkey will do anything when Russia attacks? Because I believe they are just selfish and joined NATO for profits.
What's left of NATO when you take out these countries?
Ukraine has the biggest and probably best European army as of 2022.
They are also at war since 8years, which means they had a chance to improve a lot, fire soldiers who are scared to fight etc.
Also a society of people who dont want to give up to Russian..
Poland and Germany are not battle veterans when compared to Ukraine, I dont know if soldiers and citizens of western Europe will resist Putin as hard as Ukrainians currently do. Remember in 2014 Ukrainians did a terrible job, they had to test their army in real war to correct and remove weak points.
So in my opinion the best chance to stop Putin is in Ukraine.
Not to mention that if Putin conquers Ukraine, he will get recruits there and will be much more difficult enemy to fight.

About illegal workers, Ukrainians and Bulgarians are legal workers in the EU.
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Aug 14 2022 11:28pm
Quote (babun1024 @ 14 Aug 2022 23:50)
You make it too complicated. My neighbour has got a son, he is 8y old. His grandma is Russian and visits him around 2x-3x per year with a tourist visa. How is banning her from visiting him would help anyone or stop anything?

The reality is Ukraine cannot win the war. We supply them enough to hold off but not to win. Some actionism isn't going to help. All we can hope for is Russia runs out of resources first and backs off like the US in Vietnam. That's our strategy, not some petty visa wars.


She can be a Russian hooker sending her dirty money directly to Putin, not to mention she raises a sleeper agent.
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Quote (Norlander @ Aug 15 2022 07:28am)
She can be a Russian hooker sending her dirty money directly to Putin, not to mention she raises a sleeper agent.

Oddly specific :lol:
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Quote (babun1024 @ 15 Aug 2022 10:13)
Oddly specific :lol:


Oddly Specifić is a popular Slavic name/surname combo
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Aug 15 2022 01:49am
50 years old is quite a lot for a prostitute, but not impossible, true..
I wish you guys use some energy helping victims of the war, instead of excusing attackers, imperialists who want to enslave Europe.
Of course they are imperialists because of the propaganda, so the most evil guy is Putin and KGB people like him, but we cant ignore fact that Russian people support him and support the war and attacking other countries.
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Aug 15 2022 02:12am
Quote (Ironfister @ Aug 14 2022 09:56pm)
Humanitarian xD
Since when western people care about humanitarian?
Billions of people live in shit conditions around the globe, and would like to come to EU/USA, it would be humanitarian to let them in, but we dont do it. Because its too much risk.
We dont even really support poor people around the globe.
How much of our wealth we spend to help other nations develop?
Western people are selfish, sadly.



This is war, and on the war you need to be effective, especially when your opponent obeys no rules.


Its Poland and a couple of east European countries who don’t let people from poor/middle eastern countries in. They have not accepted migrants from Syria/Africa etc. They basically ignore the European law. The wealthier parts of Europe accepts pretty much everyone who comes. It’s only the ones who ignore EU law, that are not humanitarian. most of them are ex-commies btw. We are not talking about what’s right or wrong. Your statement just doesn’t apply to EU as a whole.

In an idealised world there would be rules during war, which are consistently followed. But pretty safe to say that after someone’s been killing for a couple of weeks, they will never be a normal human being again. To think otherwise is naive at best.

This post was edited by Impy on Aug 15 2022 02:15am
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If 72% of Russians support "Special Military Operation" then presidental vote (Putin - 77%) wasn't rigged? Or there's a "tiny" possibility that both of said events were falsified?

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