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Mar 7 2022 05:32pm

Quote (gel87 @ Mar 7 2022 06:30pm)

All ias matter now.

So wait gloves and ammys and stuff apply now

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Mar 7 2022 05:33pm

Quote (Lycans @ Mar 7 2022 11:13pm)

As I said fury is the only attack now reaching any decent speed all other abilities frames are now trashed

Btw, if you guys want changes to werebear let blizzard know by either agreeing or not or share ur opinion in this topic or make a new on blizzard feedback forum:
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/d2r/t/werebear-weak-now-in-ptrother-features/113264

To raise awarness to them. Complaining about it here has very little effect i think cause i dont think devs read here to much.

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Mar 7 2022 05:34pm

what's the tl;dr?

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Mar 7 2022 08:29pm

Quote (MyNameIsHuman @ Mar 7 2022 05:32pm)

So wait gloves and ammys and stuff apply now

Quote (milistisia2 @ Mar 7 2022 05:34pm)

what's the tl;dr?

Yes, all IAS counts, including skill IAS in Werewolf or Fanaticism.

Tl;Dr: Fury Werewolf top melee character in game now, which is what blizzard said they would do in the first PTR, and fucked it up, now is is better. However rabies is slower now, only a buff for Fury but a very significant one

This post was edited by oscarmk on Mar 7 2022 08:32pm

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Mar 7 2022 08:32pm

Quote (gel87 @ Mar 7 2022 05:30pm)

I would recommend to use botd giant tresher for pvp.
As well as obtaining 75 skill ias.

To then use the 150 eias break you need:
142 total ias.
Botd(60) + hl(20) + loh(20) + treachury (45) = 145
However there the difference between between 150 eias break and 134 eias break is 6,58 vs 6,94 attacks per second.

So in most cases you would just use the 134 eias break.
Which would here need only 83 ias.
And then for pvp you May be able to reach werewolf level equialent of 76 skill ias. Which makes the breakpoint 80ias.
Lvl 36 werewolf = 76 SIAS on my formula, meanwhile it need 38 on russian skill calc.... Shame i dont have access to amason basin...
(eth botd gt + hl) which allows 68fcr builds.

GPA need 113 ias for 134 eias.

Pb need 37 for 134 break and 54 for 143 break(last)

Ba need 113 for 134 break and 152 for 143 break.

Yes, came to the same conclusion for GT and GPA at 76, GT gives quite a bit of gear flexibility if botd only need 20 more ias, GPA needs 15 ias helm, gloves and ammy which is also easy to achieve.

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Mar 7 2022 11:47pm

Wow item IAS is pretty much useless now, the penalty on higher gear IAS is just way too much. RIP for my GG Eth Tomb Reaver I guess lol

From this formula: EIS = 120*IAS/(120-IAS), there really isn't any reason to stack any gear IAS

IAS -> Gear EIS
40 -> 30 (High Lord + LOH)
100 -> 50 (High Lord + LOH + Tomb)
145 -> 66 (High Lord + LOH + Tomb + Treachery)
190 -> 74 (High Lord + LOH + Tomb + 2*15/30 Jewel + Treachery + Helm IAS Jewel)

So final EIS for this setup:

Gear EIAS = 74
WSM = 10
SIAS = 75

EIS = 74 -10 +75 = 139 LOL

Compared to EBOTD GT with only HL and LOH

100 IAS (EBOTD + HL + LOH) -> 55 Gear EIAS

Gear EIAS = 55
WSM = -10
SIAS = 75

EIS = 48 -(-10) + 75 = 140

TL;DR - Tomb Reaver is now dead because of the 10 WSM

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Mar 7 2022 11:50pm

Quote (CCLK @ Mar 7 2022 11:47pm)

Wow item IAS is pretty much useless now, the penalty on higher gear IAS is just way too much. RIP for my GG Eth Tomb Reaver I guess lol

From this formula: EIS = 120*IAS/(120-IAS), there really isn't any reason to stack any gear IAS

IAS -> Gear EIS
40 -> 30 (High Lord + LOH)
100 -> 50 (High Lord + LOH + Tomb)
145 -> 66 (High Lord + LOH + Tomb + Treachery)
190 -> 74 (High Lord + LOH + Tomb + 2*15/30 Jewel + Treachery + Helm IAS Jewel)

So final EIS for this setup:

Gear EIAS = 74
WSM = 10
SIAS = 75

EIS = 74 -10 +75 = 139LOL

Compared to EBOTD GT with only HL and LOH

100 IAS (EBOTD + HL + LOH) -> 55 Gear EIAS

Gear EIAS = 55
WSM = -10
SIAS = 75

EIS = 48 -(-10) + 75 = 140

TL;DR - Tomb Reaver is now dead because of the 10 WSM

Tomb Reaver can reach 3 frames with 30% ias helm, 20 gloves and 20 ammulet, no need for Treachery, so can keep Fortitude. Main benefit of tomb reaver is all resistances.
Your statement about no reason to stack IAS is not true at all, in fact there is now a reason to stack IAS as opposed to before... this can make even the slowest weapons reach 4 frames which is the max we have today and is still pretty fast. It is true that WSM plays a big role in reaching the breakpoints as you mentioned though.

This post was edited by oscarmk on Mar 8 2022 12:00am

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Mar 8 2022 12:36am

Great work gel! Hope they keep this for wolf and fix the bears :cry:

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Mar 8 2022 01:22am

Quote (oscarmk @ Mar 8 2022 01:50pm)

Yeah the changes really made everything else viable, which is great, but to the expense of the Tomb Reaver (only upside now is at least it has resistances). I've made some scenarios for polearms for certain gear config and only EBOTD GT appears to be able to reach max frames. For Tomb, you need config D or E, both needing 2x15 ias jewels but with either treachery or 30ias helm + ias belt just to reach the 134 EIAS BP. Reaper's need additional 20 IAS from Helm or belt to reach 125 or treachery to reach 134.

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/UHhe6fR.png[/IMG] - idk how to post a pic lol

Considering the price difference between the three, it's only between EBOTD GT and Reaper's Toll now for Polearms. And considering decrep, and all other mods on reapers, dbrunski might just be right about it being the new BIS.

This post was edited by CCLK on Mar 8 2022 01:31am

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Mar 8 2022 02:24am

Thank you

I do have a question in regards to the normal attack chart tho

The top middle and top right both indicate 1HS & 1HT, but one with breakpoint 17 and one with breakpoint 19, so I assume the 17 one(top mid) should be STF instead?

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