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Apr 25 2024 12:32pm
Quote (Norlander @ Apr 25 2024 09:04am)
Brigade probably



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Guess its another big victory for drones who are easily manipulated to follow this war to the point where they discuss bolts coming lose on a tank all day long, but for me personally I dont see anything major happening here soon.

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Apr 25 2024 12:53pm
Quote (Djunior @ Apr 25 2024 05:41pm)
I said BRICS is on a roll lately because a bunch of countries joined earlier and Belarus was the next country queueing up.

Secondly you now try to move the goalposts. You claimed I said "BRICS is going from strength to strength because Belarus joined"

SMH


Semantics was never the funny part, the sentiment was the funny part.

But you know that ;) What's wild is you walked yourself right into it.

As if you believed Belarus was some kind of powerhouse, maybe in your reality they are.
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Apr 25 2024 01:41pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Apr 25 2024 11:24am)
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Thats the same turtle tank, otherwise known as coffin tanks.

Featuring shed tank



If Russia has fully mobilised its defence industry as suggested, vegetable patches and garden barbecues across Europe are surely doomed.
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Apr 25 2024 02:18pm
Quote (MichaelWS @ 25 Apr 2024 09:13)
I dont think Russia wants Odessa, its propaganda hype for dumb russian people and nothing more. You have to remember that 80% of Russian population is severely uninformed and have 0 understanding of how world works or why events unfold the way they do, they have been growing up in patriotic holy war with USA propaganda for centuries. Propaganda tells them they will take New-York tomorrow they believe it and spread it among themselves.

Nor do they have capability anymore since most of their capable modern ships are now destroyed. Putin got what he wanted in east, well almost I think region he wants will take him like 10 years to conquer if he continues to move at current pace.

Taking Odessa would come with great strategic advantages for Russia. They would control the entire northern shore of the Black Sea and all gas or oil found in the region. (There are rumors that large gas fields have been found in recent times near Crimea.)
They would also cut Ukraine off from any good ports. Exporting all the grain and industrial products via land is neither logically feasible nor economic. By controlling all major (formerly) Ukrainian Black Sea ports, Russia would gain a chokehold on Ukraine's exports and economy. They could use it to extort a share of Ukraine's GDP during times of peace and to economically force them into submission in times of conflict.

This issue is already present in lesser form because Russia controls the left bank of the Dniepr river. Transporting steel from, say, the Dnipro region to Odessa via train and ship it from there is not optimal, but it's feasible. Transporting it all the way to Bulgaria or Poland via land, however, would be far too costly.

So yes, I, for my part, believe that Russia has a great interest in taking Odessa, it's just that other dominos would have to fall first before they can turn their full focus on this objective.

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Taking Odessa would come with great strategic advantages for Russia. They would control the entire northern shore of the Black Sea and all gas or oil found in the region. (There are rumors that large gas fields have been found in recent times near Crimea.)They would also cut Ukraine off from any good ports. Exporting all the grain and industrial products via land is neither logically feasible nor economic. By controlling all major (formerly) Ukrainian Black Sea ports, Russia would gain a chokehold on Ukraine's exports and economy. They could use it to extort a share of Ukraine's GDP during times of peace and to economically force them into submission in times of conflict.

This issue is already present in lesser form because Russia controls the left bank of the Dniepr river. Transporting steel from, say, the Dnipro region to Odessa via train and ship it from there is not optimal, but it's feasible. Transporting it all the way to Bulgaria or Poland via land, however, would be far too costly.

So yes, I, for my part, believe that Russia has a great interest in taking Odessa, it's just that other dominos would have to fall first before they can turn their full focus on this objective.



Russia too busy celebrating great victories in the east part right now, u must seen pictures all over social media, village with like 7 houses all destroyed.

One might desire many things but without means to achieve those desires its nothing but pipe dreams/propaganda hype.

If Russia seriously wanted to win the war they would just mobilise 4-5 million and do ww2 style charge and overwhelm Ukraine completely, but then again Russian economy/Logistics cant handle that today really and once dye is cast there is no turning back.

On other side, if we wanted Ukraine to win we would just send Ukraine everything they need long time ago, not 12 planes and 50 tanks at a time. This aint no star wars movie where every stormtrooper misses target 5 feet away from him, where we send 12 planes and Ukrainian pilot attacks Russian death star in its most weakest conveniently engineered spot and it blows up and Ukraine celebrates with wookies in the forest while Ukraine President burns body of Putin after he found out Putin is his father.

Reality is: Both sides dosing this war just enough for war to go on, nobody actually interested in ending this war because everyone who is in charge is profiting massively off it one way or the other. Simple people just pay the price.
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Apr 25 2024 02:48pm
Quote (MichaelWS @ 25 Apr 2024 22:39)
Russia too busy celebrating great victories in the east part right now, u must seen pictures all over social media, village with like 7 houses all destroyed.

One might desire many things but without means to achieve those desires its nothing but pipe dreams/propaganda hype.

If Russia seriously wanted to win the war they would just mobilise 4-5 million and do ww2 style charge and overwhelm Ukraine completely, but then again Russian economy/Logistics cant handle that today really and once dye is cast there is no turning back.

On other side, if we wanted Ukraine to win we would just send Ukraine everything they need long time ago, not 12 planes and 50 tanks at a time. This aint no star wars movie where every stormtrooper misses target 5 feet away from him, where we send 12 planes and Ukrainian pilot attacks Russian death star in its most weakest conveniently engineered spot and it blows up and Ukraine celebrates with wookies in the forest while Ukraine President burns body of Putin after he found out Putin is his father.

Reality is: Both sides dosing this war just enough for war to go on, nobody actually interested in ending this war because everyone who is in charge is profiting massively off it one way or the other. Simple people just pay the price.

How exactly are the Ukrainian oligarchs, the true ruling class of the country, profiting from their country's infrastructure getting blown up, economic activity getting muted and demographics bleeding out? Remember: Zelensky is just the puppet of one of the oligarchs. Sure, there are figures in Ukraine who are selling Western weapons on the black market or embezzling aid money, but the scale of this kind of profiteering pales in comparison with the damage this war causes to Ukraine, its economy and its oligarchs.
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Apr 25 2024 02:59pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 25 2024 11:48am)
How exactly are the Ukrainian oligarchs, the true ruling class of the country, profiting from their country's infrastructure getting blown up, economic activity getting muted and demographics bleeding out? Remember: Zelensky is just the puppet of one of the oligarchs. Sure, there are figures in Ukraine who are selling Western weapons on the black market or embezzling aid money, but the scale of this kind of profiteering pales in comparison with the damage this war causes to Ukraine, its economy and its oligarchs.



Ukraine has been duped by the Western “elites”
By offering Ukraine what they never actually going to give them,
EU membership, NATO membership, Instant Western lifestyles and opportunities
Now Ukraine stuck in eternal loop of empty promises and empty titles like Candidacy to the Candidate of top Candidates of all Candidates Candidate of Candidates to join EU Asap but not right now Candidate of Candidates.

Simple 19328373 step program for Ukraine has been designed so they can move on to another 3848484 step program.

This post was edited by MichaelWS on Apr 25 2024 03:24pm
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Apr 25 2024 03:50pm
The fall of one village doesn't change the outcome of the war, but key losses of high ground, supposedly well fortified front towns has an impact. I like the analysis and mapping this account has provided since the beginning of the war. Would recommend all to follow for daily movements.

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Little can be said of the battle for Ocheretyne. #UkrainianArmy has abandoned almost the entire town, leaving only one position to the northeast that they will possibly abandon as #RussianArmy continues to comb the rest of the buildings. Meanwhile, in the south Ukrainian troops begin to evacuate Soloviove towards the western defenses. The loss of this town will leave the rear of Berdichy completely exposed, so the Ukrainian command will have to make the decision to withdraw to Novopokrovske or resist with the risk of being semi-surrounded by the Russian troops in the north where the heights dominate the plain. between the first and second Ukrainian defensive line.
In Krasnogorivka, Russian army has restarted its assault on the central area of the town, entering some areas of the refractory plant and taking some streets to the south of it. The loss of this plant for the Ukrainian army will mean the loss of its main bastion in the city. After which few large buildings remain there, with the exception of the hospital and the eastern microdistrict, which will not be taken directly, since the Russian troops will eventually force the Ukrainian soldiers to withdraw from there.


https://x.com/Suriyakmaps/status/1783040651698802759

tl;dr the point, the loss of this one village is already having a domino effect within that salient. Since this post, 3 villages have already been abandoned and or taken. Novobakhmutivka, Berdychi, Soloviove, with at least another one, Semenivka that will need to be abandoned because of risk of being flanked. It also open up northern villages to be shelled from the high ground, leaving them exposed and vulnerable as well.

Now if you take all of those together, it's still not really a significant defeat, but it shows how vulnerable Ukraine is, even when they had battalions defending these to give up a pretty crucial village without much of a fight.
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Apr 25 2024 04:40pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 25 2024 04:50pm)
The fall of one village doesn't change the outcome of the war, but key losses of high ground, supposedly well fortified front towns has an impact. I like the analysis and mapping this account has provided since the beginning of the war. Would recommend all to follow for daily movements.



https://x.com/Suriyakmaps/status/1783040651698802759

tl;dr the point, the loss of this one village is already having a domino effect within that salient. Since this post, 3 villages have already been abandoned and or taken. Novobakhmutivka, Berdychi, Soloviove, with at least another one, Semenivka that will need to be abandoned because of risk of being flanked. It also open up northern villages to be shelled from the high ground, leaving them exposed and vulnerable as well.

Now if you take all of those together, it's still not really a significant defeat, but it shows how vulnerable Ukraine is, even when they had battalions defending these to give up a pretty crucial village without much of a fight.


well like I was saying earlier, Avdeevka was the first and most important domino to fall here. It wasn't just that it fell, its that the UA leadership completely failed to evacuate the 110th and left them surrounded and obliterated, and there's no imaginable world in an era of social media and the internet with cell phones where the 115th could have been unaware of their predecessor's fate. And all this really boils down to that main issue that's going to plague any semblance of defense by Ukraine over the next year- no matter how much money America throws at it, if there are no Ukrainians left to fight, Russia can't be stopped
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