You didn't even watch the vid SMH

The industry is dated / turned into bombed out ruins, but this doesn't matter at all.

The resources are still in the ground and will only become more valuable over time.

The farmland will eventually be cleared of mines. Food, just like the other resources, will only become more valuable.

No wonder NATO is so upset right now

This post was edited by Djunior on Apr 29 2024 03:56am

the large players in agriculture and the monsantos want ukraine as their future playground in europe for their genetically altered trash

every piece of land russia takes means less future profit for them

Well some of the industrial area was seized (and razed) like Mariupol but yeah they've largely controlled it since 2014. The fighting now is over all those juicy farmlands and the gas basin to the east of the dnipro. Russia had something last year like 22% of the overall harvest? Its still a breadbasket and being underdeveloped and sparsely populated is why Russia is advancing faster now

I don't see coal, oil or natural gas becoming more valuable over time, considering that a significant chunk of the world tries to phase out fossils.

Also, Russia already has large, unexplored fields in Siberia which it hasn't even begun to tap yet. The resources in Ukraine would be close to the European customers, but Russia just alienated them and it's not like the old fields which were serving Europe until 2022 were exhausted or close to capacity. Maybe the oil fields in the Donbass/Sea of Azov will become super valuable 300 years from now if the global oil reserves genuinely run out while we still need it as a component for producing plastic and such, but I don't see how it's a game changer for Russia in the short- or medium term.





The majority of the Ukrainian farmland still lies in regions not controlled by Russia, though. If that was their primary objective, they wouldn't stop at/be satisfied with Eastern Ukraine. Controlling 22% of Ukraine's harvest is a nice bonus for Russia, but it doesn't pass the smell test as the main justification for this war.




Sorry, but you guys are imho grasping at straws with all these different angles from which you try to justify this war or argue that it is a huge "win" for Russia. They reinvigorated NATO, got 1400km of new NATO border, used up their single-use "close the gas tap"-card, burnt through a large chunk of their irreplaceable soviet-era stockpiles, expended a significant chunk of their expendable population, alienated their best customers, increased their dependency on Beijing to dangerous levels, exposed the shortcomings of their military for the whole world to see, ran up their debt and alerted the West to its much more crucial vulnerability with regard to Taiwan - which, unlike Ukraine, is a true crown jewel in a technological/economic and geostrategic sense.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 29 2024 05:36am

I heard that countries in EU had to fire up their old coal powered plants after they were cut off from cheap, clean Russian natural gas.

No one is justifying the war it's more a matter of fact analysis. Natural resources like oil and gas are priceless. Tons of stuff that you use in your every day life is made from oil and natural gas. Ask the German chem industry if you don't believe me (you'll immediately understand why they have such a hard time right now).

is russia the juggernaut they want to be or were perceived as by many?

not really, but they proved to be capable enough to fight a longer war despite massive sanctions

i was told 2 years ago that russia would run out of shit 1 year ago and the exact opposite happened

now the west has been exposed that despite preparations since 2014 the entire NATO combined can just barely supply for ukraine to desperately hold the russians

most western militaries are years away from being remotely operational and whatever future production the cold war 2.0 propaganda is promising will never arrive on time for ukraine

the new borders will already be set by then

if anything the rest of the world is laughing and in chinas position i would encoraged by the incompetence of NATO and russia

Well put, add in brain drain of close to a million draft age Russians that didn't want to trade their lives for 25 thousand dollars a year (or 50 quintillion rubles)
Exacerbated demographic problems.
Alienated the European energy market, goodbye 80billion a year in gas revenues.
Goodbye western energy majors and cutting edge tech/ development.

Positioned its economy on a war footing and still haven't accomplished anything worthy of the negative consequences of the war.

All for 15% more of the poorest country in Europe.

The only thing worse than Russias military ineptitude is Putins blinkered strategy.
Total laughing stock and rightly so. Rational people don't want protracted wars of conquest in Europe.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-operations-ukraine-have-probably-cost-up-211-billion-us-official-2024-02-16/

"I don't think we've talked quite as much about the costs that Russia has already incurred and continues to incur," the official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told reporters.
The war had cost Russia an expected $1.3 trillion in previously anticipated economic growth through 2026 and about 315,000 Russian troops had either been killed or injured so far, the official added"

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Apr 29 2024 06:27am

Longer this war goes, better for China. It bleeds their enemy and syphons billions of military spend that instead of going east, is going to Europe. They're also learning a lot about the war, supply chains, and so on. It also entrenches Russia as a long term ally of China, that has natural resources 'till kingdom come for China to buy.

It's one of the biggest miscalculations in Washington. Instead of driving a wedge between China and Russia, which historically have always mistrusted each other and we could have leveraged them to be one of the bigger counter weights, we went full retard and said please go be in China's camp and feed them natural resources for decades to come, while simultaneously seriously damaging our lever of power, being the dollar.

@first bolded: The part rich in resources. From what I read it's more like 20% but whatever

@second bolded: Now that it becomes clear to even the most die-hard NATO enthusiasts that Ukraine is losing it's been pointed out that we must focus on what Russia is losing while they are winning the war. Wut...

Massive cope


BTW two pages back it was half a million dead Russians. You should allow more time between your lies, lol