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Jan 25 2022 10:11pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jan 25 2022 06:37pm)
Are you high?


It's the only way to achieve a color blind society which is what MLK wanted.
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Jan 25 2022 10:16pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 24 2022 03:10pm)
I don't think anyone disputes disparities exist, its a matter of causal relationship and discriminating on that basis. Its like saying the NCVS and UCR account for disparities along racial demographics in criminal offender rates, I don't think that's disputed. But having brown skin doesn't make you a criminal nor does it make you susceptible to covid. What mechanism of action would there be for "every race other than white" to be given inferior immune response to covid-19? Its such a nonsensical racial grouping from a genetic, evolutionary point of view or shared medical traits, on both sides of that divide. And to create a standard that discriminates against people not based on the traits that define their circumstances but rather on the color of their skin, well that's just racism.


Except that it does. Dark skin reduces the body's ability to metabolize vitamin D, which is a well known anti-virulent.
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Jan 25 2022 10:23pm
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The government at ALL levels should be forbidden from collecting, using, or analyzing ANY data related to race. This includes the census because the mere observation of racial data is by definition a discriminatory act. As Barack Obama once said, there's no black America or white America...there's only the United States of America.


If only this were possible. But there's too much to be gained for a select few (race pimps) for this to ever be a reality.
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If only this were possible. But there's too much to be gained for a select few (race pimps) for this to ever be a reality.


I think it's possible and the first thing to do would be to ban the question on the census. I think if you eliminate it from there, the rest will trickle down.
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Except that it does. Dark skin reduces the body's ability to metabolize vitamin D, which is a well known anti-virulent.

If that was a big factor, we wouldn't see huge covid mortality in near-equatorial places like Peru or Brazil while mortality remains lower than anyone could have imagined in middle Africa.

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Jan 26 2022 07:32am
Quote (thundercock @ Jan 25 2022 11:11pm)
It's the only way to achieve a color blind society which is what MLK wanted.


Talking about racial differences is a third rail so ypu win by default.

MLK achieved his dream in 1980. Because we see blacks at big banks an ivy league schools at a higher rate than their test scores would suggest.

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If that was a big factor, we wouldn't see huge covid mortality in near-equatorial places like Peru or Brazil while mortality remains lower than anyone could have imagined in middle Africa.


Equatorial regions get good sunlight year round. It's latitudes closer to arctic and antarctic circles that see these effects.
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Quote (Santara @ Jan 25 2022 11:16pm)
Except that it does. Dark skin reduces the body's ability to metabolize vitamin D, which is a well known anti-virulent.


I bought an 18 month super supply of lipophilic D3 gels. One pill is enough for a week basically. Cost? $20

I blame our news and academic organizations. They have failed us and drowned us within a web of hedonistic useless propaganda.
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Quote (Santara @ 26 Jan 2022 14:37)
Equatorial regions get good sunlight year round. It's latitudes closer to arctic and antarctic circles that see these effects.


Even then, it shows that other factors are far more important in explaining differences in covid mortality than vitamin D or skin color. Also, as far as I know, there is still no conclusive data showing vitamin D to have a strong causal effect on covid outcomes.

In any case, if there were studies which emphatically show dark-skinned people living in high latitude places to suffer from a higher covid risk which is caused by vit-D deficiency, then the logical conclusion would be that governments or institutions should recommend/distribute vit-D supplements, rather than engage in outright racial discrimination.

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Quote (Santara @ Jan 25 2022 10:16pm)
Except that it does. Dark skin reduces the body's ability to metabolize vitamin D, which is a well known anti-virulent.


Afaik, there were several studies finding no link between vitamin D levels and covid outcomes, ex;

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To the best of our knowledge, few studies have evaluated the impact of Vit D status on the severity and outcome of COVID-19 disease in Saudi Arabia. In our patients, we did not find an association between Vit D status and COVID-19 severity or better outcomes. Moreover, when we adjusted the statistical model for gender, age and comorbidities, Vit D level was not associated with the course of the disease.

The current study’s findings are supported by a similar study that did not prove the relation between Vit D level and COVID-19 severity or outcomes. The two largest sample Mendelian randomization (cohort and genetic) approaches conducted among 443.734 participants, from 11 courtiers, failed to promote any relevance between COVID-19 severity or outcomes and Vit D.24 Further, a study on 341.484 participants found insufficient evidence to support the potential link between Vit D level and COVID-19 infection severity and mortality after adjustment for confounders.31

At the same point, another multicenter, double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled trial conducted on 240 patients with severe COVID-19 did not prove any significant relevant COVID-19 outcomes, independent of the ability of Vit D therapy to correct serum 1–25-hydroxy Vit D level.32 The same findings have been reported by other researchers who found that a single high dose of Vit D (540,000 IU) during the early phase of critical illness rapidly corrected serum Vit D level but did not promote the clinical outcomes of COVID-19 infection compared with the placebo. Furthermore, research on 502,624 infected patients with COVID-19 failed to detect an association between risk of COVID-19 infection and Vit D level.21

Low Vit D status is common among Saudi women,6,33 while recent reports showed that males accounted for the higher prevalence of COVID-19 cases in Saudi Arabia.34,35 This discrepancy indicates weakness in the direct relation between Vit D status and COVID-19 infection.


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Eleven cohort studies with 536,105 patients and two RCTs were identified. Vitamin D deficiency (< 20 ng/ml) or insufficiency (< 30 ng/ml) was not associated with an significant increased risk of COVID-19 infection (OR for < 20 ng/ml: 1.61, 95% CI: 0.92–2.80, I2 = 92%) or in-hospital death (OR for < 20 ng/ml: 2.18, 95% CI: 0.91–5.26, I2 = 72%; OR for < 30 ng/ml: 3.07, 95% CI: 0.64–14.78, I2 = 66%). Each 10 ng/ml increase in serum vitamin D was not associated with a significant decreased risk of COVID-19 infection (OR: 0.92, 95% CI: 0.79–1.08, I2 = 98%) or death (OR: 0.65, 95% CI: 0.40–1.06, I2 = 79%). The overall quality of evidence (GRADE) for COVID-19 infection and associated death was very low. Vitamin D supplements did not significantly decrease death (OR: 0.57, I2 = 64%) or ICU admission (OR: 0.14, I2 = 90%) in patients with COVID-19. The level of evidence as qualified using GRADE was low.


I can understand it as being one of those novel theories with a reasonable chance to establish an explainable mechanism, like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and whatever else, but research into it pooped on the idea.
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