Quote (InsaneBobb @ Sep 10 2021 05:10pm)

This is false. Vaccines do not grant magical "immunity". They never did. Sometimes the vaccine doesn't work. Sometimes, it gives you the virus (polio was bad about that). Sometimes, they work great and provide full immunity. Other times, they merely reduce the symptoms.

The most concerning note to the Covid Vaccines is that generally accepted theories was that once you were fully vaccinated and/or once you recovered from the virus, you would not be a spreader. If you became a carrier of the virus in the future, your body would generate the antibodies to fight off the virus nearly instantly. Apparently SARS-CoV-2 is special and immune to this feature of the immune system.

Likewise, this is one of the first corona/flu type viruses I've seen where there's been a huge flurry over "Asymptomatic Spread". That's not usually a thing. I mean, there are real concerns, without a doubt. But I think you misunderstand what a vaccine is or isn't, and what it does or doesn't do.

If vaccines provided magical immunity all the time, why is Influenza still around? Every year 50%+ of the population takes a flu shot. Yet it continues to thrive. How's that happen?

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 10 Sep 2021 14:12)

*Sometimes" like 95%

Quote (net @ 10 Sep 2021 14:13)

The vaccines literally help new variants to spread throughout the body quicker, lol.

Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 10 2021 01:35pm)

I don't think anyone is saying you should get the vaccine strictly to avoid dying yourself. They're saying you should get it for yourself and those who are more at risk for whom exposure to covid could prove lethal despite being vaccinated.

Complications from the covid vaccine are orders of magnitude less common than complications from the coronavirus. This is why getting the vaccine was a nobrainer for most people and its also why i support the mandates.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 10 2021 04:51pm)

No, it does not, the factor ranged between 6 and 13. Furthermore, the real headline coming out of the Israeli study is that a single dose of the vaccine can further cut the risk of infection in half among the previously infected.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Sep 10 2021 05:15pm)

Can you cite your source? I've seen no indication that this is accurate. If anything, both types of covid vaccine help prevent severe symptoms from variants. LMK though, always open to new data. :)

Quote (EndlessSky @ 10 Sep 2021 23:34)

Bottom line, young people getting natural immunity is better than a vaccine.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 10 2021 05:38pm)

It's not an either or situation though. Getting vaccinated and then later exposed to the virus to refresh/broaden the immune response is still the preferable approach since it comes with a lower toll on hospitals and slightly less deaths.

Quote (EndlessSky @ Sep 10 2021 02:39pm)

Not for young people.

Quote (net @ Sep 10 2021 04:13pm)

The vaccines literally help new variants to spread throughout the body quicker, lol.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Sep 10 2021 05:43pm)

Liar

Quote (thundercock @ Sep 10 2021 05:40pm)

Getting the virus + vaccine = Trump immunity which is the best immunity. Believe me.

Quote (EndlessSky @ Sep 10 2021 02:51pm)

If you are 70 and eat Big Macs for breakfast, yea.